> > The code of conduct is not a law. People who are harassers are criminals > and not above the law. Sexual harassment is a serious offense. Any kind > of harrasment is an offense. Wikipedia s administrators are not the law > and not above the law.
Wikipedia is not above the law. The international aspects and the fact that WMF protects editors privacy makes options outside the movement very limited to only the extreme end of the scale. Beside the legal aspect its a cop out for the Community & WMF to dismiss any harassment as something they cant do anything about, this response is why AN/I is also a waste of time and why so much harassment never gets dealt with, ultimately why the movement has difficulty in attracting under represented groups On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 13:14, Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής < anonymuswikiped...@gmail.com> wrote: > The code of conduct is not a law. > People who are harassers are criminals and not above the law. > Sexual harassment is a serious offense. Any kind of harrasment is an > offense. Wikipedia s administrators are not the law and not above the law. > Wikipedia is not above the law. > People who seek help should be appointed to the right specialized > authorities as the police and not discouraged to do so. > > Safety team from my experience, will not help any wikipedian/victim who > with report a harrasment case. They are just another department of > wikimedia foundation. > > Any people is important and count. > Please take what ever actions you think is necessary. > > I believe you. > > Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής > > > Στις Δευ, 24 Αυγ 2020, 7:39 π.μ. ο χρήστης Robert Myers < > robert.my...@wikimedia.org.au> έγραψε: > > > And there the problem lies, going to local authorities (police) isn’t > > going to be useful. Some authorities require the alleged crime to be > > committed in their jurisdiction, which can be limited, anonymous nature > of > > the person who committed the alleged crime makes it difficult to identify > > the individual(s), with it servers hosted outside the jurisdiction make > it > > harder to investigate. Also I have seen in the past, WP:LEGAL used > against > > those who have reported threats of physical violence or harassment > > (physical stalking) to law enforcement. > > > > I do think there needs to be a off-wiki complaint process for serious > > allegations, since on-wiki processes can be inappropriate and acts as a > > chilling effect (since it is very open and public) on the victim(s). The > > same situation can occur for alleged perpetrator(s), where the > > allegation(s) are false or vexatious and malicious grievances. > > > > Maybe the Universal Code of Conduct might address this issue, it might > not > > as well. > > > > -- > > Robert Myers > > robert.my...@wikimedia.org.au > > http://www.wikimedia.org.au > > > > > On 24 Aug 2020, at 1:37 pm, Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής < > > anonymuswikiped...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > If you ve been sexually harassed in wikipedia this is not a matter to > be > > > solved on a mailing list or by Safety team. Go to you local authorities > > and > > > report it. This is a very serious matter to just become an essay for > > > someone or belive that it can be solved by administrators or safety > team. > > > Safety team in my harassment case told me to "politely" ask my > harrasers > > to > > > stop harassing me. Please don t relay on them for such a serious > matter! > > > Please be safe and I m sure you can seek help by trained and serious > > people > > > by your local authorities. > > > I wish someone could told me that in my case then and not point me to > > > safety team. They will not help you. > > > > > > Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής > > > > > > > > > Στις Δευ, 24 Αυγ 2020, 3:41 π.μ. ο χρήστης Gnangarra < > > gnanga...@gmail.com> > > > έγραψε: > > > > > >> If someone feels harassed then a public noticeboard is the last place > to > > >> send them for help, that is an absolute failure of the community to > > >> understand that the act of reporting is also doubling down on the > harm. > > >> Doing so publicly is indicating to the person committing the > harassment > > >> that they have succeeded in causing harm. > > >> > > >> This folks is the very reason why we fail to retain editors and breach > > the > > >> imbalance of editors and continue have trouble with bias. Everyone > > speaks > > >> english but the cultural nuances of the language vary greatly with > words > > >> having multiple meanings and being used specifically to cause offense. > > >> > > >> The word cutie has its meanings; > > >> > > >> - of being nice looking when talking about kids and animals > > >> > > >> but once its used referring to an adult as part of a discussion its > > changes > > >> to that of them being; > > >> > > >> - of being an arsehole > > >> - of being picky > > >> - and of having sexual connotations ranging from you are fuckable, > to > > >> your sexual orientation. > > >> > > >> When these complaints get to something like AN/I those cultural and > > >> linguistic nuances get dismissed and the person using them has gained > a > > lot > > >> of power, self satisfaction, and endorsement of their harassment as > > being > > >> ok, with a bonus that other users are now also enabled to harass the > > >> complaining editor knowing full well that AN/I will do nothing. > > >> > > >> The bottom line is if a person feels harassed they have been harassed, > > >> whether we understand the depth of why they feel harassed is not > > relevant > > >> but that should not be a barrier to prevent further harassment. > > >> > > >> > > >>> On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 06:21, Isaac Olatunde < > reachout2is...@gmail.com > > > > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Hello Chris, > > >>> > > >>> This isn't a terribly bad advise, AFAICS. > > >>> > > >>> Harassments are treated on a case-by-case basis. > > >>> > > >>> So, if this is something you aren't comfortable discussing publicly, > > you > > >>> could email the Functionary team or ArbCom or similar body in that > > >>> community. > > >>> > > >>> If it's something that should be removed from public view, you could > > >>> contact the oversight team. > > >>> > > >>> I can't see the contents of the harassment, so I can only speak based > > on > > >>> general principle. > > >>> > > >>> Regards > > >>> > > >>> Isaac > > >>> > > >>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 23:07 Chris Sherlock, < > chris.sherloc...@gmail.com > > > > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> To be clear, this is what I was advised: > > >>>> > > >>>> “ Harassment concerns can be reviewed under the appropriate > community > > >>>> process. I would therefore advise you to report the edit summary to > > the > > >>>> appropriate channels on the wiki it occured. If this happened on > > >> English > > >>>> Wikipedia, this would be the Administrator's board for incidents. > > >>>> I hope the above is helpful.” > > >>>> > > >>>> Chris > > >>>> > > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>>> > > >>>>> On 24 Aug 2020, at 6:43 am, Chris Sherlock < > > >> chris.sherloc...@gmail.com > > >>>> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Hello all, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I have been advised by the WMF that if anyone is concerned about > > >> being > > >>>> sexually harassed they must report this to AN/I and there are no > > >> private > > >>>> mechanisms to report this sort of thing. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Is this for real? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Chris Sherlock > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > >>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > >>>> Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > , > > >>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > >>>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > >>> Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> GN. > > >> > > >> *Power of Diverse Collaboration* > > >> *Sharing knowledge brings people together* > > >> Wikimania Bangkok 2021 > > >> August > > >> hosted by ESEAP > > >> > > >> Wikimania: https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gnangarra > > >> Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page > > >> My print shop: https://www.redbubble.com/people/Gnangarra/shop?asc=u > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- GN. *Power of Diverse Collaboration* *Sharing knowledge brings people together* Wikimania Bangkok 2021 August hosted by ESEAP Wikimania: https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gnangarra Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page My print shop: https://www.redbubble.com/people/Gnangarra/shop?asc=u _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
