I'm sure it will vary considerably. Does that matter? When measuring internal equity, do we measure based on how expensive of a lifestyle each employee leads?
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 7:46 AM Peter Southwood <peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > Should they? Their cost of living expenses may vary considerably. > Cheers, > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf > Of Nathan > Sent: 11 September 2020 13:39 > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on > job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity > > Dan, > > Shouldn't two candidates for the same position for the same company get > roughly the same salary, regardless of where they live? > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 7:00 AM Dan Garry (Deskana) <djgw...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Asking candidates for their current salary is prohibited in San Francisco > > as of July 2018 [1] which means that, as a San Francisco based > > organisation, the Foundation will undoubtedly not be doing this. To my > > knowledge, this wasn't done by the Foundation before either, but we can > > confidently state that it won't be done now. > > > > There are some complexities in disclosing salary ranges for the > Foundation. > > One practice that can be used for encouraging diversity in candidate > > applications is to specify that a position is open to candidates with a > > wide range of experience and in all locations in the world, in which case > > the salary range posted will be so large that it will basically be > > meaningless. On the other hand, another good practice for encouraging > > diversity is to source internally for senior positions, which opens up > more > > junior roles that can be sourced externally, in which case a salary range > > can be more meaningful and helpful. It's hard to figure out what the > right > > balance is. > > > > Regardless, more public transparency in salary banding would be good to > > see. > > > > Dan > > > > [1]: > > > > > > https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/state-and-local- > updates/pages/san-francisco-bans-salary-history-questions.aspx > <https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/state-and-local-updates/pages/san-francisco-bans-salary-history-questions.aspx> > > > > On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 10:44, Chris Keating <chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Good morning everyone! > > > > > > There's a campaign(1) for nonprofits to disclose the salaries, or at > > least > > > salary ranges, on job ads. > > > > > > An increasing body of evidence(2) shows that practices like not > > disclosing > > > expected pay, and requiring applicants to disclose their current > salary, > > is > > > harmful to equity in the workplace. > > > > > > Not disclosing salaries affects pay levels within the organisation - > > > because white men are usually relatively confident in negotiating their > > > salaries upwards, so tend to end up with a better deal. > > > > > > It can also affect the diversity of candidates who apply. Candidates > who > > > have stronger networks within the industry they're moving into (again, > > more > > > commonly white men with privileged social and educational backgrounds) > > also > > > have clear expectations because they are 'in the know' about industry > > > norms, while people who don't, find the lack of salary information a > > > barrier to application. (After all, why take the time and effort to > apply > > > for a job when you have no idea how the likely pay compares to your > > current > > > employment?) > > > > > > I know practices vary within the movement - I believe the WMF never > > > mentions salaries on ads, and I don't know whether the range is > disclosed > > > to applicants or not - some chapters I know do advertise a salary. > > However, > > > I'd urge all entities within the movement that hire staff to disclose > the > > > expected salary ranges for posts they are advertising, as part of their > > > commitment to equality, diversity and inclusion. > > > > > > Thanks for reading, > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > (1): https://showthesalary.com/ > > > (2): e.g. at https://showthesalary.com/resources/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
