Hi all,
Maybe one way in France :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renater
I could contact them if it s possible, and more particularly the criann
he would only charge for electricity.
At the same time this allows to be able to save energy for users who
consult wikipedia in Europe.

https://www.criann.fr/

Le 2020-09-30 13:12, Gereon Kalkuhl a écrit :

Hi all,

as Dimi said, there had been some discussions about this topic over the years. 
Unfortunately they were not taken for serious, for example 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Move_the_WMF_and_Servers_to_Iceland
 .

And there is not only the political issue, there are environmental concerns as 
well. Earthquakes and fires in California, Hurricanes in the South.

Cheers, Gereon

Am 30.09.2020 um 11:44 schrieb Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov: Hi all,

We have had discussions on this with many Wikimedians over the years, but
frankly, the issue never seemed pressing enough to pursue more seriously.
Some points made that I remember where:

- Perhaps it is enough to just have back-up servers in another
jurisdictions that could kick-in and whose capacity could quickly be
upgraded in case of need.
- Nordic jurisdictions like Iceland and Norway frequently came up with
the arguments: stable political systems, solid digital rights track
records, a climate that helps save energy on cooling servers & availability
of hydropower (i.e. environmental benefits).

I think such a move would require serious studies and long, community-wide
debates. I can not assess how urgent it is. But then again, waiting until
it is a real issue is probably not a great idea.

Cheers,
Dimi

На ср, 30.09.2020 г. в 11:35 Dan Garry (Deskana) <djgw...@gmail.com> написа:

On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 09:49, Erik Moeller <eloque...@gmail.com> wrote:

I hope that some preliminary contingency plans exist or are being
developed, and I'm sure that the movement-wide debate will widen if
the US continues its downward slide into authoritarianism.

I agree with Erik. Even under the Obama administration, there were threats
to the existence of the movement, such as SOPA [1 [1]] which lead to a blackout
[2]. One can extrapolate from current events that these threats could well
get larger and more frequent, rather than smaller and less frequent, should
someone in the US Government decide to focus their attention on attacking
Wikipedia and free knowledge. It would be prudent to create a contingency
plan which includes an exploration of other options for a location of
operation for the Wikimedia Foundation and/or its servers, with their
advantages and disadvantages. I personally wouldn't necessarily advocate
for making the plan public; that would be ideal, but I'd be comforted
merely to know it exists.

On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 at 23:36, Joseph Seddon <josephsed...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I believe options are going to be explored for sustainability but right now 
legally speaking the US is the best jurisdiction for hosting us now and the 
foreseeable future.

I agree with this too. For now, the United States remains the best place
for the organisation to operate out of, and a move should not be actively
considered.

Dan

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
[2]:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PIPA#Wikimedia_community
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