> > the WMF also does not "administer Wikipedia", a mistake they have made for > the second time now.
a very risky mistake too, hope legal is taking note as it also demonstrates why its necessary to have a practical and public difference in naming between Wikimedia and Wikipedia On Wed, 3 Feb 2021 at 17:38, Yair Rand <yyairr...@gmail.com> wrote: > @Risker: The Global sysop policy was created through a sequence of > proposals, considerable debate and editing, and a vote in which over 1800 > contributors participated. The Global ban policy had an RFC on Meta. Afaik, > the Board also had no involvement in the Steward policy, the global > checkuser and oversight policies, or the policies for Global Rollback, > Abuse Filter helpers, or New wiki importers global user groups. > > The Terms of Use were drafted with a lengthy community editing process, > although the Board did the final approval. The 2014 amendment to the ToU > also had a long community discussion, with over 1000 supporters of the > change, with the Board implementing the community-supported amendment. The > community's decisions were critical to these, and the Board did not > unilaterally impose anything on the community. > > I do not see any reason for the community to listen to the Board on the > UCoC. I doubt anyone thinks that the Board or WMF has a better idea of how > to put together conduct policies than the community. Certainly the complete > failure to notice basic flaws in the document attest to that. Maybe at some > point in the future the community can put together a clear set of basic > global conduct rules, but the WMF's UCoC is not it. > > (And a fun fact: The Board approved the UCoC on December 9, the same day > as the bylaws change, and yet again violated the Board's rules about > publishing resolutions within a week, for the at least 19th time in the > past year, out of 24 known resolutions.) > > (Also, contrary to the recent WMF blog post on the UCoC, the WMF also does > not "administer Wikipedia", a mistake they have made for the second time > now.) > > -- Yair Rand > > > > > בתאריך יום ג׳, 2 בפבר׳ 2021 ב-21:34 מאת Risker <risker...@gmail.com > >: > >> While I often agree with you, Yair Rand, in this case I think you're >> mistaken. Aside from the long-ago "community vote" on licensing (which was >> pretty much required based on the prior licensing scheme), every >> Wikimedia-wide policy has been authorized by the WMF Board of Trustees. >> That includes the terms of use and the privacy policy. As the technical >> owners of the infrastructure, the WMF Board does have the right (if not the >> responsibility) to identify the manner in which the websites it supports >> and hosts can be used, and I think this principle is actually pretty widely >> held, at least in the abstract (i.e., hosting organizations can and should >> apply standards on the services they host). In every policy-related case >> that I have reviewed going back to the very earliest days, there has been >> at least some level of community discussion, and there have always been >> detractors of every policy the Board has approved; that has not made the >> policies either invalid or unworkable. >> >> I've never been convinced that including a mixture of required, >> forbidden, and aspirational standards all in one document is a good idea, >> and I personally struggle to see how including essentially unenforceable >> aspects of the UCoC will do anything other than weaken the effectiveness of >> rest of the document. For example, I cannot imagine anyone being >> sanctioned in any way for "failure to thank" or "failure to mentor", >> although both of these are considered expectations in the "Civility" >> section; and one thing that a Uniform Code of Conduct would logically have >> is a uniform enforcement scheme. >> >> Nonetheless, I do believe that it is within the Board's scope and >> responsibility to approve this and other global policies designed to >> protect the WMF, the projects, the users of the websites, and the content >> managers/editors/etc (what we often call "the community"). >> >> Risker/Anne >> >> >> >> On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 at 17:28, Yair Rand <yyairr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The community has not approved the WMF's UCoC. It is not a Wikimedia >>> policy, it is not binding, it has no authority. The WMF does not control >>> the Wikimedia projects, and has no jurisdiction in this area. >>> >>> The community rejected this over and over again. It is harmful that the >>> Board is pretending they can do this unilaterally. >>> >>> -- Yair Rand >>> >>> בתאריך יום ג׳, 2 בפבר׳ 2021 ב-6:59 מאת María Sefidari < >>> ma...@wikimedia.org>: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> I’m pleased to announce that the Board of Trustees has unanimously >>>> approved a Universal Code of Conduct for the Wikimedia projects and >>>> movement.[1] A Universal Code of Conduct was one of the final >>>> recommendations of the Movement Strategy 2030 process - a multi-year, >>>> participatory community effort to define the future of our movement. The >>>> final Universal Code of Conduct seeks to address disparities in conduct >>>> policies across our hundreds of projects and communities, by creating a >>>> binding minimum set of standards for conduct on the Wikimedia projects that >>>> directly address many of the challenges that contributors face. >>>> >>>> The Board is deeply grateful to the communities who have grappled with >>>> these challenging topics. Over the past six months, communities around the >>>> world have participated in conversations and consultations to help build >>>> this code collectively, including local discussions in 19 languages, >>>> surveys, discussions on Meta, and policy drafting by a committee of >>>> volunteers and staff. The document presented to us reflects a significant >>>> investment of time and effort by many of you, and especially by the joint >>>> staff/volunteer committee who created the base draft after reviewing input >>>> collected from community outreach efforts. We also appreciate the >>>> dedication of the Foundation, and its Trust & Safety policy team, in >>>> getting us to this phase. >>>> >>>> This was the first phase of our Universal Code of Conduct - from here, >>>> the Trust & Safety team will begin consultations on how best to enforce >>>> this code. In the coming weeks, they will follow-up with more instructions >>>> on how you can participate in discussions around enforcing the new code. >>>> Over the next few months, they will be facilitating consultation >>>> discussions in many local languages, with our affiliates, and on Meta to >>>> support a new volunteer/staff committee in drafting enforcement pathways. >>>> For more information on the process, timeline, and how to participate in >>>> this next phase, please review the Universal Code of Conduct page on >>>> Meta.[2] >>>> >>>> The Universal Code of Conduct represents an essential step towards our >>>> vision of a world in which all people can participate in the sum of all >>>> knowledge. Together, we have built something extraordinary. 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