On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 1:47 AM James Heilman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Well the story around Osmosis has further details... They released their > first 300 or so vidoes under an open license and they were within Wikipedia > articles for a while. You can still see them on Commons here: > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_from_Osmosis > > A number of folks pushed exceedingly hard for their removal. And thus they > are no longer in EN WP. How extensively they were viewed we do not know as > we have no way to determine that data. Our only data for videos is if the > portion of the page they are on is loaded or not, and not if the play > button has been pressed or how much of the video was watched. > > Following the breakdown of our collaboration with Osmosis they dropped the > use of an open license, and all their subsequent material is fully > copyrighted. Just a few weeks back they sold themselves to Elsevier... > WoOoW - that sounds terrible... When was this happening and How? This is worth writing about, reflecting and keeping in mind for the future! #BestPracticies #WorstPracticies Maybe EN Wikipedia's lowest common denominator of tolerance to innovation is too low :-( > Now one of the legitimate criticisms of these videos is that they were not > easily collaboratively editable. We have built software to make > collaborative editing of video easier. Unfortunately currently it is down > and we are needing to find a programmer able and willing to fix it, we at > Wiki Project Med do not have much funding available... > https://mdwiki.org/wiki/WikiProjectMed:VideoWiki > It is admirable you do not give up on this. Best Z. Blace > James > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 4:53 PM Juergen Fenn <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks, James. I think this is an important point. So we could say we >> have lost a part of acedemia. >> >> More to the point, we seem to have failed to integrate course materials >> and multimedia formats into Wikipedia articles. >> >> Could we try and create some of these and integrate them into articles >> relevant to students in oder to test whether this makes a difference to >> them? Or do you think they would stick to Osmosis etc. anyway? >> >> Best regards, >> Jürgen. >> >> Am 08.01.22 um 00:38 Uhr schrieb James Heilman: >> > With respect to some anecdotal evidence, I have for many years asked the >> > medical students who work with me on their clinical rotations how they >> > study. I get a few passes through my department a month. >> > >> > Most reported using Wikipedia 5 to 10 years back. Now sources like >> > Osmosis, which are basically short video overviews with questions banks >> > attached, are more commonly mentioned. Video is becoming a more common >> > way for younger folks to learn. >> > >> > James >> > >> > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 3:55 PM Mohamed ElGohary <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > >> > "Is the traffic measured where content is read" would be a better >> > way of putting it. >> > >> > -- >> > Gohary (ircpresident) >> > >> > On Sat, Jan 8, 2022 at 12:52 AM Juergen Fenn <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > >> > Anders raised the question how this relates to "smarter" >> > machine-created >> > traffic. Do we know more about this? >> > >> > Best Regards, >> > Jürgen. >> > >> > Am 07.01.22 um 21:45 Uhr schrieb James Heilman: >> > > Have been tracking medical pageviews for EN WP for more than >> > 10 years. >> > > It appears our readership peaked around 2014, there was a bump >> > during >> > > the pandemic, and now the fall in pageviews is >> > continuing again... This >> > > despite much of our pageviews for medicine continuing to be >> > related to >> > > the pandemic. >> > > >> > > >> > >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png >> > < >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png >> > >> > > >> > < >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png >> > < >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Change_in_medical_pageviews_from_2009_until_2014.png >> >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages >> > < >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages >> > >> > > >> > < >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages >> > < >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Popular_pages >> >> >> > > >> > > James >> > > >> > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 11:09 AM Toni Ristovski >> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> > > <mailto:[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >> > > >> > > Additionally, pandemic 2020 with a lot of lockdowns makes >> many >> > > people commit to different activities, among them starting >> > editing >> > > on Wikipedia or reading more. Basically, in my opinion it >> > is better >> > > to compare with 2019 numbers. Also, it will be useful to >> > have some >> > > kind of survey about this which can give us a better >> > overview of >> > > these data. >> > > >> > > As I`m editor and admin on Macedonian Wikipedia, I was >> quite >> > > surprised that our Wikipedia actually continues to grow in >> > terms of >> > > reading and having a stable editing base. >> > > >> > > All the best, >> > > Toni >> > > >> > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 6:52 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga >> > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns >> > made a huge >> > > peak on views, so year on year, 2021 has worse >> results. >> > > >> > > 2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du >> > (Anders >> > > Wennersten <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]> >> > > <mailto:[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>>>): >> > > >> > > When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: >> > en, de pl, >> > > nl they all >> > > show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 >> > months from a >> > > year ago, >> > > and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with >> > exception >> > > of en). >> > > >> > > Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing >> > our readers and >> > > contributors or is it mostly Google that access >> > our info >> > > "smarter" not >> > > creating "views" >> > > >> > > Anders >> > > >> > > https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org >> > <https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org> >> > > <https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org >> > <https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org>> >> > > >> > > https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org >> > <https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org> >> > > <https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org >> > <https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org>> >> > > >> > > https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/nl.wikipedia.org >> > 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