Hi Amir, I'm pretty sure I didn't write that there should not be a policy in place and I also didn't mention the current arrests, so what exactly are you referring to?
BR, Philip On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 15:11, Amir Sarabadani <ladsgr...@gmail.com> wrote: > So you're saying if WMF didn't have a human rights policy, the user would > have not been arrested? Similar to the "fact" that no Wikipedian has been > arrested before the inception of the policy? > > What kind of logic is this? > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 3:18 PM Philip Kopetzky <philip.kopet...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> This situation does raise the question why the WMF decided to widely >> publish a human rights policy that will make the Wikimedia projects appear >> in less of a neutral stance than before. >> >> The fact that this move will endanger volunteers was even acknowledged in >> the FAQs [1], but was just waived off as something that will have little >> impact. It should be clear by now that the WMF is not in a position to >> protect those it endangers adequatly, so it might be worthwile in the >> future to have a less US-centric approach to social topics. It doesn't mean >> that such a policy shouldn't exist - but the WMF should be aware that >> announcing this policy on all possible media channels can't be the right >> approach if it doesn't want to make volunteers' work even more difficult >> and dangerous. >> >> [1]: >> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Human_Rights_Policy/Frequently_asked_questions#Does_this_policy_inadvertently_expose_volunteers_to_greater_risk >> ? >> >> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 11:02, Pierre-Yves Beaudouin via Wikimedia-l < >> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Maggie for your message. >>> >>> Let us know when the movement should communicate about this terrible >>> news. I'm sure that a lot of affiliates would be happy to communicate on >>> that topic, contact our governments and human rights NGOs, but we don't >>> want to make things worse for Pessimist2006 and others editors living in >>> Belarus, Russia and Ukraine. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> -- >>> *Pierre-Yves Beaudouin* >>> *Membre du conseil d'administration* >>> >>> *-------------------------------------------------------------------------* >>> *WIKIMEDIA FRANCE* >>> Association pour le libre partage de la connaissance >>> *www.wikimedia.fr <http://www.wikimedia.fr/>* >>> *28 rue de Londres, 75009 PARIS* >>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1234174880> >>> >>> Le 2022-03-11 22:45, Maggie Dennis a écrit : >>> >>> Hello, all. >>> >>> I’m writing to update you all on an emerging human rights concern >>> related to the invasion of Ukraine. We are concerned that an effort is >>> being made to identify Wikipedia editors whose activities are seen as >>> opposing the Russian narrative of the war. >>> >>> I wanted to let you know that we are aware, we are monitoring, and we >>> are acting in various ways already. While we cannot discuss the details for >>> the safety of all involved, over a year ago, we hired a Human Rights >>> Lead <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Team> with >>> experience in individual safety to help us with such situations. This >>> includes partnerships with allied organizations experienced in human rights >>> interventions as well as connecting with appropriate community groups and >>> functionaries to provide safety support. We care about the safety of >>> Wikimedians, and I know that you do, too. We have heard as much from many >>> of you directly. >>> >>> I want to take this opportunity to raise your awareness of the need to >>> protect yourselves and each other online. It’s such a cliche that I’m >>> almost hesitant to write it, but in this world, sharing information is >>> sometimes a radical act. Because of this, we ask you all to please be aware >>> of what information you share about yourself on Wikimedia platforms and how >>> your Wikimedia activities can be connected to your personal identity. Some >>> Wikimedians have chosen to operate transparently. Others have chosen to >>> operate under pseudonyms. Whatever path you’ve chosen, there are best >>> practices for your personal protection. Some guidance has been gathered >>> here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Voices_under_Threat >>> >>> At the same time as I share these recommendations, I want to firmly >>> assert that all who try to get people vital information in times of crisis >>> - whether Wikimedian or otherwise - should be celebrated. At the core of >>> our movement is the belief that knowledge belongs to everyone, and the >>> Foundation is firmly against efforts by anyone to stand in the way of the >>> flow of verifiable information in whatever forum it is shared. I believe, >>> as is the way with all Wikimedians, that the path to a better world is to >>> ensure people everywhere have access to knowledge, and that we, as >>> collective societies, should provide them the tools to assess the accuracy >>> of the information they encounter. Censorship is not the solution. >>> >>> If you have information to share about this situation or about other >>> potential threats of persecution to the safety of Wikimedia volunteers due >>> to their good faith contributions to the projects, please share with >>> talktohumanrig...@wikimedia.org. The team is quite busy and may not be >>> able to respond to all communications because of that, but they do read >>> them, and your emails do matter. >>> >>> I wish the best for all of you who read this and for all seekers of >>> information and sharers of information in Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, and >>> beyond. We will share updates of the situation here as we are able within >>> the framework of prioritizing people’s safety. In the meantime, I’d like to >>> take the opportunity to highlight the efforts of some Wikimedians >>> related to the invasion of Ukraine >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine>. >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> >>> Maggie >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Maggie Dennis >>> She/her/hers >>> Vice President, Community Resilience & Sustainability >>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/KIMZHJMWMKXFRCMWIE5WL3YIJNFMSNVH/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/CHI2EABAGNV6NUIHJC4YC4ANLZD46KUQ/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/5RALA6BNCMLWANBOPJDOEZP75F5S7BMD/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > -- > Amir (he/him) > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/FT2HAFULWQQRRJLWCYY3FKDOTDXD5BM5/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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