Beyond the mentioned countries, this is also affecting those who have opted in to Apple’s Private Relay, which I expect will be somewhat popular/default once out of beta status. I myself am unable to edit for example - and half the time I am not bothered to workaround the issue and just give up the edit.
Also, annoyingly, the block message only shows up when I try to save the page (at least on mobile), not when I start the edit, again, leading to unnecessary frustration. Best regards, Bence On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 at 20:42, Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > Yes, it's getting frequent and not only from people in Africa. > > I ended up to trouble-shoot these problems by mails or direct messaging on > Facebook more and and more frequently, maybe with simple users who just > know me or have my contact. Sometimes it looks like sharing the duties of a > sysop or a steward with no power. > > It's getting less and less clear how pros and cons are calculated exactly, > but you just get the feeling that some users really care a lot about this > policy and you just have to deal with the consequences, no matter how > time-consuming it's getting. > > A.M. > > Il mercoledì 20 aprile 2022, 20:34:36 CEST, Amir E. Aharoni < > amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> ha scritto: > > > I don't have a solution, but I just wanted to confirm that I agree fully > with the description of the problem. I hear that this happens to people > from Nigeria, Ghana, Kenya and some other countries almost every day. > > The first time I heard about it was actually around 2018 or so, but during > the last year it has become unbearably frequent. > > A smarter solution is needed. I tried talking to stewards about this > several times, and they always say something like "we know that this > affects certain countries badly, and we know that the technology has > changed since the mid-2000s, but we absolutely cannot allow open proxies > because it would immediately unleash horrible vandalism on all the wikis". > I'm sure they mean well, but this is not sustainable. > > -- > Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי > http://aharoni.wordpress.com > “We're living in pieces, > I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore > > > בתאריך יום ד׳, 20 באפר׳ 2022 ב-21:21 מאת Florence Devouard < > fdevou...@gmail.com>: > > Hello friends > > Short version : We need to find solutions to avoid so many africans being > globally IP blocked due to our No Open Proxies policy. > *https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/No_open_proxies/Unfair_blocking > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/No_open_proxies/Unfair_blocking>* > > > Long version : > > I'd like to raise attention on an issue, which has been getting worse in > the past couple of weeks/months. > > Increasing number of editors getting blocked due to the No Open Proxies > policy [1] > In particular africans. > > In February 2004, the decision was made to block open proxies on Meta and > all other Wikimedia projects. > > According to the no open proxies policy : Publicly available proxies > (including paid proxies) may be blocked for any period at any time. While > this may affect legitimate users, they are not the intended targets and may > freely use proxies until those are blocked [...] > > Non-static IP addresses or hosts that are otherwise not permanent proxies > should typically be blocked for a shorter period of time, as it is likely > the IP address will eventually be transferred or dynamically reassigned, or > the open proxy closed. Once closed, the IP address should be unblocked. > > According to the policy page, « the Editors can be permitted to edit by > way of an open proxy with the IP block exempt flag. This is granted on > local projects by administrators and globally by stewards. » > > > I repeat -----> ... legitimate users... may freely use proxies until those > are blocked. the Editors can be permitted to edit by way of an open proxy > with the IP block exempt flag <------ it is not illegal to edit using an > open proxy > > > Most editors though... have no idea whatsoever what an open proxy is. They > do not understand well what to do when they are blocked. > > In the past few weeks, the number of African editors reporting being > blocked due to open proxy has been VERY significantly increasing. > New editors just as old timers. > Unexperienced editors but also staff members, president of usergroups, > organizers of edit-a-thons and various wikimedia initiatives. > At home, but also during events organized with usergroup members or > trainees, during edit-a-thons, photo uploads sessions etc. > > It is NOT the occasional highly unlikely situation. This has become a > regular occurence. > There are cases and complains every week. Not one complaint per week. > Several complaints per week. > *This is irritating. This is offending. This is stressful. This is > disrupting activities organized in good faith by good people, activities > set-up with our donors funds. **And the disruption** is primarlly taking > place in a geographical region supposingly to be nurtured (per our strategy > for diversity, equity, inclusion blahblahblah). * > > > The open proxy policy page suggests that, should a person be unfairly > blocked, it is recommended > > - * to privately email stewards[image: (_AT_)]wikimedia.org. > - * or alternatively, to post a request (if able to edit, if the > editor doesn't mind sharing their IP for global blocks or their reasons to > desire privacy (for Tor usage)). > - * the current message displayed to the blocked editor also suggest > contacting User:Tks4Fish. This editor is involved in vandalism fighting and > is probably the user blocking open proxies IPs the most. See log > > > So... > Option 1: contacting stewards : it seems that they are not answering. Or > not quickly. Or requesting lengthy justifications before adding people to > IP block exemption list. > Option 2: posting a request for unblock on meta. For those who want to > look at the process, I suggest looking at it [3] and think hard about how a > new editor would feel. This is simply incredibly complicated > Option 3 : user:TksFish answers... sometimes... > > As a consequence, most editors concerned with those global blocks... stay > blocked several days. > > We do not know know why the situation has rapidly got worse recently. But > it got worse. And the reports are spilling all over. > > We started collecting negative experiences on this page [4]. > Please note that people who added their names here are not random newbies. > They are known and respected members of our community, often leaders of > activities and/or representant of their usergroups, who are confronted to > this situation on a REGULAR basis. > > I do not know how this can be fixed. Should we slow down open proxy > blocking ? Should we add a mecanism and process for an easier and quicker > IP block exemption process post-blocking ? Should we improve a process for > our editors to pre-emptively be added to this IP block exemption list ? Or > what ? I do not know what's the strategy to fix that. But there is a > problem. Who should that problem be addressed to ? Who has solutions ? > > Flo > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/No_open_proxies > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/Tks4Fish > > [3] > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Global_permissions#Requests_for_global_IP_block_exemption > > *[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/No_open_proxies/Unfair_blocking > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/No_open_proxies/Unfair_blocking>* > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/UU76SJ5LZI5MA5F3WC3NSY4UMGDQTGXR/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/DURG34YMOUDJZTAMY43W3QT4XOCEZTRZ/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/3MBP32CNIAS2XCL7IDVZX5FOQL6RIE7P/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org -- -- Bence Damokos Sent from Gmail Mobile
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