I don't disagree with trying to make language more understandable in general, though. If there was a children's version, it might be useful for things like math articles. I remember looking up stuff like the quadratic formula when I was in high school, seeing way more advanced mathematics than I was used to and just giving up that Wikipedia could be a useful resource for that. Obviously Wikipedia isn't the end-all be-all for everything and it shouldn't be (obviously it wasn't meant to help me with homework either), but I do agree with the general principle expressed that WereSpielChequers that Wikipedia should be written for a general audience and that's what considered inappropriate is variable depending on your life circumstances.
On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 9:57 AM WereSpielChequers < werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm curious as to what level of reading skill you are writing this for and > also what level of understanding/adulthood. > > I see these as two different issues and both are likely to vary sharply > especially between different countries with very different education > systems. > > A childrens' encyclopaedia written for nine year olds would surely be very > different than one written for thirteen year olds. And content that parents > of fourteen year olds thought was age inappropriate in Alabama might be > thought appropriate or even bowdlerised by parents of ten year olds in > London. > > In other words, are you sure that one single childrens' encyclopaedia is > the answer to either the problem of reading age or age appropriate content? > > Where I think that Wikipedia could and should change re this is in our use > of jargon. To my mind a "general interest" english language encyclopaedia > should be written in plain English. I suspect other language versions have > similar issues. Perhaps if we focussed more on this we would make it > easier for those who wish to create childrens' versions. > > Regards > > WSC > > On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 at 13:03, <wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org> > wrote: > >> Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to >> firstname.lastname@example.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe, please visit >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimedia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Wikimedia-l digest..." >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Small joyy: Txikipedia of the da(Neurodivergent Netizen) > > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 17:13:33 -0700 >> From: Neurodivergent Netizen <idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com> >> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia >> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <email@example.com> >> Message-ID: <8c62ada1-09ee-46ff-b27d-389b6bb3e...@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary="Apple-Mail=_9EEB7F4B-E2E5-42FB-AED5-C7C07107CEF2" >> >> >> That wouldn't be a wise choice that WMF host such a wiki if it brings >> the risk of being legaly attacked on that ground, even for bad reasons and >> unsuccessfully, whereas it never happened to Vikidia in 15 years (and very >> few kind of bad buzz like "look what they teach to the children"). >> >> And of course, any WMF-affiliated wiki would be more at-risk simply >> because of the association with the more well-known Wikipedia. >> >> > The document is not really public yet. :-) >> >> I think I can wait until it’s public and proofread. :-) >> >> From, >> I dream of horses >> She/her >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:45 PM, Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Hello, >> > At the moment I am working on a document that extensively explains how >> > we work on the Klexikon. If someone is interested, please send me a >> > private message. The document is not really public yet. :-) >> > Kind regards >> > Ziko >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Klexikon >> > >> > Am Mi., 22. Juni 2022 um 19:27 Uhr schrieb Mathias Damour >> > <mathias.dam...@gmx.fr>: >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> De: "Neurodivergent Netizen" <idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com> >> >> I think a particular hurdle for a standalone WMF-affiliated kidipedia >> project is the COPPA, and other similar laws both in the US and elsewhere >> that could potentially increase civil liability. Another hurdle is that >> America is very aware, perhaps overly aware, of the potential safety risks >> when children are involved in websites. Then you add in the fact that kids >> are likely to continue editing Wikipedia instead of Kidipedia, and it’s not >> worth the extra effort. This effort would include hiring/reassigning staff >> so you can have a team of people for just Kidipedia, along with the >> background checks and identity verification needed. None of that are >> obstacles that aren’t in the way of kids editing the existing projects. >> >> >> >> I predict a WMF-affiliated kidipedia would largely be abandoned quite >> quickly. >> >> >> >> You are probably right. I would say COPPA may not be the biggest >> hurdle, yet the british "UK Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006" is >> another one, and moreover the fact that "America is very aware, perhaps >> overly aware, of the potential safety risks when children are involved in >> websites" (and I would also say that "America" weight more the right of >> parents to control what is taught to their children and less the right of >> the children to inform themselves - the latter being upheld by the >> Convention on the Rights of the Child, which the US didn't ratificate - >> compared to other countries). >> >> We reviewed it on https://en.vikidia.org/wiki/Vikidia:Legal_matters >> >> >> >> That wouldn't be a wise choice that WMF host such a wiki if it brings >> the risk of being legaly attacked on that ground, even for bad reasons and >> unsuccessfully, whereas it never happened to Vikidia in 15 years (and very >> few kind of bad buzz like "look what they teach to the children"). >> >> >> >> You tell about "hiring/reassigning staff so you can have a team of >> people for just Kidipedia", well, that's quite exactly the point I adressed >> on this blog post : >> >> Vikidia, l’anti-professionnalisation >> >> https://www.wikimedia.fr/vikidia-lanti-professionnalisation/ >> >> ...to tell that the vision of children needing to be only alongside >> their closed family and professionals workers - and that it should be the >> same if a wiki for children is set (that we would need professionnal >> educators either to write the articles, to design the project or to manage >> the community or all that together) - did cause much delay to the wiki >> encyclopedias for children, and how we do otherwise on Vikidia. >> >> >> >> Reminder, the Wikikids project was developped on this page and >> subpages : >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikikids >> >> >> >> Envoyé: mercredi 22 juin 2022 à 12:37 >> >> De: "Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga" <galder...@hotmail.com> >> >> À: "Wikimedia Mailing List" <firstname.lastname@example.org> >> >> Objet: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia >> >> From our experience, is just the opposite: Wikipedia is not asking any >> extra step nor age confirmation, and legally you can have an account even >> if you are underage. Children are consulting Wikipedia without limits, and >> they can find adult content easily. We don't have any advice about that, >> nor filters at Commons, where you can find even porn using words that were >> not intended for that. The place is open, and we have massive visits from >> children, so providing them a better place, thought for them (as our >> strategic direction says) is better that not providing at all. >> >> >> >> I can only agree! >> >> >> >> >> >> Mathias Damour >> >> [[User:Astirmays]] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- email@example.com, >> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> >> Public archives at >> https://firstname.lastname@example.org/message/HS4SV6YSS5G7M4R53YJGFPGWHX24GMP3/ >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- email@example.com, >> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> > Public archives at >> https://firstname.lastname@example.org/message/IZDXGSZXB7ZPMLCNVBISGRI5XP7EAQHS/ >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... >> Name: not available >> Type: text/html >> Size: 7679 bytes >> Desc: not available >> >> ------------------------------ >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- email@example.com, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://firstname.lastname@example.org/message/HTN3JIJMER43A4KNILUX5ZQHWV43OY3B/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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