> I don't disagree with trying to make language more understandable in general, > though.
Right, but like I’m saying, we have the Simple Wikipedia already. From, I dream of horses She/her > On Jun 23, 2022, at 8:57 PM, Clover Moss <clovermosswikipe...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I don't disagree with trying to make language more understandable in general, > though. If there was a children's version, it might be useful for things like > math articles. I remember looking up stuff like the quadratic formula when I > was in high school, seeing way more advanced mathematics than I was used to > and just giving up that Wikipedia could be a useful resource for that. > Obviously Wikipedia isn't the end-all be-all for everything and it shouldn't > be (obviously it wasn't meant to help me with homework either), but I do > agree with the general principle expressed that WereSpielChequers that > Wikipedia should be written for a general audience and that's what considered > inappropriate is variable depending on your life circumstances. > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 9:57 AM WereSpielChequers > <werespielchequ...@gmail.com <mailto:werespielchequ...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm curious as to what level of reading skill you are writing this for and > also what level of understanding/adulthood. > > I see these as two different issues and both are likely to vary sharply > especially between different countries with very different education systems. > > A childrens' encyclopaedia written for nine year olds would surely be very > different than one written for thirteen year olds. And content that parents > of fourteen year olds thought was age inappropriate in Alabama might be > thought appropriate or even bowdlerised by parents of ten year olds in London. > > In other words, are you sure that one single childrens' encyclopaedia is the > answer to either the problem of reading age or age appropriate content? > > Where I think that Wikipedia could and should change re this is in our use of > jargon. To my mind a "general interest" english language encyclopaedia should > be written in plain English. I suspect other language versions have similar > issues. Perhaps if we focussed more on this we would make it easier for > those who wish to create childrens' versions. > > Regards > > WSC > > On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 at 13:03, <wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org>> wrote: > Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, please visit > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimedia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimedia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/> > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > <mailto:wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wikimedia-l digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Small joyy: Txikipedia of the da(Neurodivergent Netizen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 17:13:33 -0700 > From: Neurodivergent Netizen <idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com > <mailto:idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com>> > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>> > Message-ID: <8c62ada1-09ee-46ff-b27d-389b6bb3e...@gmail.com > <mailto:8c62ada1-09ee-46ff-b27d-389b6bb3e...@gmail.com>> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="Apple-Mail=_9EEB7F4B-E2E5-42FB-AED5-C7C07107CEF2" > > >> That wouldn't be a wise choice that WMF host such a wiki if it brings the > >> risk of being legaly attacked on that ground, even for bad reasons and > >> unsuccessfully, whereas it never happened to Vikidia in 15 years (and very > >> few kind of bad buzz like "look what they teach to the children"). > > And of course, any WMF-affiliated wiki would be more at-risk simply because > of the association with the more well-known Wikipedia. > > > The document is not really public yet. :-) > > I think I can wait until it’s public and proofread. :-) > > From, > I dream of horses > She/her > > > > > > > On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:45 PM, Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com > > <mailto:zvand...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > At the moment I am working on a document that extensively explains how > > we work on the Klexikon. If someone is interested, please send me a > > private message. The document is not really public yet. :-) > > Kind regards > > Ziko > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Klexikon > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Klexikon> > > > > Am Mi., 22. Juni 2022 um 19:27 Uhr schrieb Mathias Damour > > <mathias.dam...@gmx.fr <mailto:mathias.dam...@gmx.fr>>: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> De: "Neurodivergent Netizen" <idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com > >> <mailto:idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com>> > >> I think a particular hurdle for a standalone WMF-affiliated kidipedia > >> project is the COPPA, and other similar laws both in the US and elsewhere > >> that could potentially increase civil liability. Another hurdle is that > >> America is very aware, perhaps overly aware, of the potential safety risks > >> when children are involved in websites. Then you add in the fact that kids > >> are likely to continue editing Wikipedia instead of Kidipedia, and it’s > >> not worth the extra effort. This effort would include hiring/reassigning > >> staff so you can have a team of people for just Kidipedia, along with the > >> background checks and identity verification needed. None of that are > >> obstacles that aren’t in the way of kids editing the existing projects. > >> > >> I predict a WMF-affiliated kidipedia would largely be abandoned quite > >> quickly. > >> > >> You are probably right. I would say COPPA may not be the biggest hurdle, > >> yet the british "UK Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006" is another > >> one, and moreover the fact that "America is very aware, perhaps overly > >> aware, of the potential safety risks when children are involved in > >> websites" (and I would also say that "America" weight more the right of > >> parents to control what is taught to their children and less the right of > >> the children to inform themselves - the latter being upheld by the > >> Convention on the Rights of the Child, which the US didn't ratificate - > >> compared to other countries). > >> We reviewed it on https://en.vikidia.org/wiki/Vikidia:Legal_matters > >> <https://en.vikidia.org/wiki/Vikidia:Legal_matters> > >> > >> That wouldn't be a wise choice that WMF host such a wiki if it brings the > >> risk of being legaly attacked on that ground, even for bad reasons and > >> unsuccessfully, whereas it never happened to Vikidia in 15 years (and very > >> few kind of bad buzz like "look what they teach to the children"). > >> > >> You tell about "hiring/reassigning staff so you can have a team of people > >> for just Kidipedia", well, that's quite exactly the point I adressed on > >> this blog post : > >> Vikidia, l’anti-professionnalisation > >> https://www.wikimedia.fr/vikidia-lanti-professionnalisation/ > >> <https://www.wikimedia.fr/vikidia-lanti-professionnalisation/> > >> ...to tell that the vision of children needing to be only alongside their > >> closed family and professionals workers - and that it should be the same > >> if a wiki for children is set (that we would need professionnal educators > >> either to write the articles, to design the project or to manage the > >> community or all that together) - did cause much delay to the wiki > >> encyclopedias for children, and how we do otherwise on Vikidia. > >> > >> Reminder, the Wikikids project was developped on this page and subpages : > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikikids > >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikikids> > >> > >> Envoyé: mercredi 22 juin 2022 à 12:37 > >> De: "Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga" <galder...@hotmail.com > >> <mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> > >> À: "Wikimedia Mailing List" <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>> > >> Objet: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia > >> From our experience, is just the opposite: Wikipedia is not asking any > >> extra step nor age confirmation, and legally you can have an account even > >> if you are underage. Children are consulting Wikipedia without limits, and > >> they can find adult content easily. We don't have any advice about that, > >> nor filters at Commons, where you can find even porn using words that were > >> not intended for that. The place is open, and we have massive visits from > >> children, so providing them a better place, thought for them (as our > >> strategic direction says) is better that not providing at all. > >> > >> I can only agree! > >> > >> > >> Mathias Damour > >> [[User:Astirmays]] > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>, guidelines at: > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines> and > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l> > >> Public archives at > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/HS4SV6YSS5G7M4R53YJGFPGWHX24GMP3/ > >> > >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/HS4SV6YSS5G7M4R53YJGFPGWHX24GMP3/> > >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines> and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l> > > Public archives at > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/IZDXGSZXB7ZPMLCNVBISGRI5XP7EAQHS/ > > > > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/IZDXGSZXB7ZPMLCNVBISGRI5XP7EAQHS/> > > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org> > > -------------- next part -------------- > A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... > Name: not available > Type: text/html > Size: 7679 bytes > Desc: not available > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines> and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l> > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/HTN3JIJMER43A4KNILUX5ZQHWV43OY3B/ > > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/HTN3JIJMER43A4KNILUX5ZQHWV43OY3B/> > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > <mailto:wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org>_______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/USSDXXXXU7HNPH7XPYYOEMLTZP7O35L5/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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