Hello. On these topics, a hyperlink: 
http://tobib.spline.de/xi/posts/2017-06-26-simple-language/ .

An excerpt is that Web pages could include metadata (<link rel="alternate" 
hreflang="de-simple" href="..." />) which indicate alternate versions of 
content for simple variants of languages.

With some means of extending BCP-47 language identifiers to include some data 
from some standard scale for reading level, a number of new technologies would 
become easier to deliver or become possible. For example, HTTP language-related 
content negotiation could, then, but need not, include end-users' 
reading-level-related preferences and settings.

As for the earlier discussion in this thread about wiki-based encyclopedias for 
younger students, one idea is to let school districts host their own 
encyclopedias and to research how to federate or combine contents and content 
updates from and across software at each school... like a P2P network of 
MediaWiki software nodes.


Best regards,
Adam

From: Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <galder...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 3:59 AM
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Just a reminder that Simple English Wikipedia exists, but there are no Simple 
_________ Wikipedia versions and there won't be. So that may be a solution for 
English (it is not, as writing in Simple Wikipedia is way more complex than 
doing at the regular one, because you must change the language) but not for the 
other languages. There's where especial places for children may work.

Have a good day,
Galder
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From: Neurodivergent Netizen 
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I don't disagree with trying to make language more understandable in general, 
though.

Right, but like I'm saying, we have the Simple Wikipedia already.

From,
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On Jun 23, 2022, at 8:57 PM, Clover Moss 
<clovermosswikipe...@gmail.com<mailto:clovermosswikipe...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I don't disagree with trying to make language more understandable in general, 
though. If there was a children's version, it might be useful for things like 
math articles. I remember looking up stuff like the quadratic formula when I 
was in high school, seeing way more advanced mathematics than I was used to and 
just giving up that Wikipedia could be a useful resource for that. Obviously 
Wikipedia isn't the end-all be-all for everything and it shouldn't be 
(obviously it wasn't meant to help me with homework either), but I do agree 
with the general principle expressed that WereSpielChequers that Wikipedia 
should be written for a general audience and that's what considered 
inappropriate is variable depending on your life circumstances.

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 9:57 AM WereSpielChequers 
<werespielchequ...@gmail.com<mailto:werespielchequ...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,

I'm curious as to what level of reading skill you are writing this for and also 
what level of understanding/adulthood.

I see these as two different issues and both are likely to vary sharply 
especially between different countries with very different education systems.

A childrens' encyclopaedia written for nine year olds would surely be very 
different than one written for thirteen year olds. And content that parents of 
fourteen year olds thought was age inappropriate in Alabama might be thought 
appropriate or even bowdlerised by parents of ten year olds in London.

In other words, are you sure that one single childrens' encyclopaedia is the 
answer to either the problem of reading age or age appropriate content?

Where I think that Wikipedia could and should change re this is in our use of 
jargon. To my mind a "general interest" english language encyclopaedia should 
be written in plain English. I suspect other language versions have similar 
issues.  Perhaps if we focussed more on this we would make it easier for those 
who wish to create childrens' versions.

Regards

WSC

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>> That wouldn't be a wise choice that WMF host such a wiki if it brings the 
>> risk of being legaly attacked on that ground, even for bad reasons and 
>> unsuccessfully, whereas it never happened to Vikidia in 15 years (and very 
>> few kind of bad buzz like "look what they teach to the children").

And of course, any WMF-affiliated wiki would be more at-risk simply because of 
the association with the more well-known Wikipedia.

> The document is not really public yet. :-)

I think I can wait until it's public and proofread. :-)

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> On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:45 PM, Ziko van Dijk 
> <zvand...@gmail.com<mailto:zvand...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> At the moment I am working on a document that extensively explains how
> we work on the Klexikon. If someone is interested, please send me a
> private message. The document is not really public yet. :-)
> Kind regards
> Ziko
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Klexikon
>
> Am Mi., 22. Juni 2022 um 19:27 Uhr schrieb Mathias Damour
> <mathias.dam...@gmx.fr<mailto:mathias.dam...@gmx.fr>>:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> De: "Neurodivergent Netizen" 
>> <idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com<mailto:idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com>>
>> I think a particular hurdle for a standalone WMF-affiliated kidipedia 
>> project is the COPPA, and other similar laws both in the US and elsewhere 
>> that could potentially increase civil liability. Another hurdle is that 
>> America is very aware, perhaps overly aware, of the potential safety risks 
>> when children are involved in websites. Then you add in the fact that kids 
>> are likely to continue editing Wikipedia instead of Kidipedia, and it's not 
>> worth the extra effort.  This effort would include hiring/reassigning staff 
>> so you can have a team of people for just Kidipedia, along with the 
>> background checks and identity verification needed. None of that are 
>> obstacles that aren't in the way of kids editing the existing projects.
>>
>> I predict a WMF-affiliated kidipedia would largely be abandoned quite 
>> quickly.
>>
>> You are probably right. I would say COPPA may not be the biggest hurdle, yet 
>> the british "UK Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006" is another one, and 
>> moreover the fact that "America is very aware, perhaps overly aware, of the 
>> potential safety risks when children are involved in websites" (and I would 
>> also say that "America" weight more the right of parents to control what is 
>> taught to their children and less the right of the children to inform 
>> themselves - the latter being upheld by the Convention on the Rights of the 
>> Child, which the US didn't ratificate - compared to other countries).
>> We reviewed it on https://en.vikidia.org/wiki/Vikidia:Legal_matters
>>
>> That wouldn't be a wise choice that WMF host such a wiki if it brings the 
>> risk of being legaly attacked on that ground, even for bad reasons and 
>> unsuccessfully, whereas it never happened to Vikidia in 15 years (and very 
>> few kind of bad buzz like "look what they teach to the children").
>>
>> You tell about "hiring/reassigning staff so you can have a team of people 
>> for just Kidipedia", well, that's quite exactly the point I adressed on this 
>> blog post :
>> Vikidia, l'anti-professionnalisation
>> https://www.wikimedia.fr/vikidia-lanti-professionnalisation/
>> ...to tell that the vision of children needing to be only alongside their 
>> closed family and professionals workers - and that it should be the same if 
>> a wiki for children is set (that we would need professionnal educators 
>> either to write the articles, to design the project or to manage the 
>> community or all that together) - did cause much delay to the wiki 
>> encyclopedias for children, and how we do otherwise on Vikidia.
>>
>> Reminder, the Wikikids project was developped on this page and subpages :
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikikids
>>
>> Envoyé: mercredi 22 juin 2022 à 12:37
>> De: "Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga" 
>> <galder...@hotmail.com<mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>>
>> À: "Wikimedia Mailing List" 
>> <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>
>> Objet: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia
>> From our experience, is just the opposite: Wikipedia is not asking any extra 
>> step nor age confirmation, and legally you can have an account even if you 
>> are underage. Children are consulting Wikipedia without limits, and they can 
>> find adult content easily. We don't have any advice about that, nor filters 
>> at Commons, where you can find even porn using words that were not intended 
>> for that. The place is open, and we have massive visits from children, so 
>> providing them a better place, thought for them (as our strategic direction 
>> says) is better that not providing at all.
>>
>> I can only agree!
>>
>>
>> Mathias Damour
>> [[User:Astirmays]]
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