> There is no major obstacle other than money and contributors to creating a > simple version encyclopaedia in any other language in a non WMF environment.
If Vikikids can find a way to find contributors and money to continue, then so can other non-WMF wikis. In fact, Miraheze provides an ad-free environment to do so; Wikia/Fandom also provides an ad-filled, for-profit platform, but has the advantage of being better known. Personally, I’d prefer Miraheze for nearly any wiki, including a simple non-English wiki that has a similar spirit to Simple English. I find Fandom ads distracting. We don’t have to depend on the WMF to create a wiki. In fact, some might say we shouldn’t, but frankly, that warrants another thread to discuss. From, I dream of horses She/her > On Jun 24, 2022, at 1:15 AM, Peter Southwood <peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> > wrote: > > Yes, I find it more difficult to write for Simple English, because it (Simple > English) is not my first language and I do not think in it, and the words I > would normally use for the topics I prefer are not invented there and have to > be worked around, so it is translation a lot of the time. There is no major > obstacle other than money and contributors to creating a simple version > encyclopaedia in any other language in a non WMF environment. > Cheers, > Peter > <> > From: Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga [mailto:galder...@hotmail.com > <mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>] > Sent: 24 June 2022 09:59 > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia > > Just a reminder that Simple English Wikipedia exists, but there are no Simple > _________ Wikipedia versions and there won't be. So that may be a solution > for English (it is not, as writing in Simple Wikipedia is way more complex > than doing at the regular one, because you must change the language) but not > for the other languages. There's where especial places for children may work. > > Have a good day, > Galder > From: Neurodivergent Netizen <idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com > <mailto:idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com>> > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 6:13 AM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>> > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia > >> I don't disagree with trying to make language more understandable in >> general, though. > > Right, but like I’m saying, we have the Simple Wikipedia already. > > From, > I dream of horses > She/her > > > > > > > On Jun 23, 2022, at 8:57 PM, Clover Moss <clovermosswikipe...@gmail.com > <mailto:clovermosswikipe...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I don't disagree with trying to make language more understandable in general, > though. If there was a children's version, it might be useful for things like > math articles. I remember looking up stuff like the quadratic formula when I > was in high school, seeing way more advanced mathematics than I was used to > and just giving up that Wikipedia could be a useful resource for that. > Obviously Wikipedia isn't the end-all be-all for everything and it shouldn't > be (obviously it wasn't meant to help me with homework either), but I do > agree with the general principle expressed that WereSpielChequers that > Wikipedia should be written for a general audience and that's what considered > inappropriate is variable depending on your life circumstances. > > On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 9:57 AM WereSpielChequers > <werespielchequ...@gmail.com <mailto:werespielchequ...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm curious as to what level of reading skill you are writing this for and >> also what level of understanding/adulthood. >> >> I see these as two different issues and both are likely to vary sharply >> especially between different countries with very different education >> systems. >> >> A childrens' encyclopaedia written for nine year olds would surely be very >> different than one written for thirteen year olds. And content that parents >> of fourteen year olds thought was age inappropriate in Alabama might be >> thought appropriate or even bowdlerised by parents of ten year olds in >> London. >> >> In other words, are you sure that one single childrens' encyclopaedia is the >> answer to either the problem of reading age or age appropriate content? >> >> Where I think that Wikipedia could and should change re this is in our use >> of jargon. To my mind a "general interest" english language encyclopaedia >> should be written in plain English. I suspect other language versions have >> similar issues. Perhaps if we focussed more on this we would make it easier >> for those who wish to create childrens' versions. >> >> Regards >> >> WSC >> >> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 at 13:03, <wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org>> wrote: >>> Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to >>> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe, please visit >>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimedia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >>> >>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimedia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/> >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org> >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Wikimedia-l digest..." >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Small joyy: Txikipedia of the da(Neurodivergent Netizen) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 17:13:33 -0700 >>> From: Neurodivergent Netizen <idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com>> >>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia >>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>> >>> Message-ID: <8c62ada1-09ee-46ff-b27d-389b6bb3e...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:8c62ada1-09ee-46ff-b27d-389b6bb3e...@gmail.com>> >>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >>> boundary="Apple-Mail=_9EEB7F4B-E2E5-42FB-AED5-C7C07107CEF2" >>> >>> >> That wouldn't be a wise choice that WMF host such a wiki if it brings >>> >> the risk of being legaly attacked on that ground, even for bad reasons >>> >> and unsuccessfully, whereas it never happened to Vikidia in 15 years >>> >> (and very few kind of bad buzz like "look what they teach to the >>> >> children"). >>> >>> And of course, any WMF-affiliated wiki would be more at-risk simply because >>> of the association with the more well-known Wikipedia. >>> >>> > The document is not really public yet. :-) >>> >>> I think I can wait until it’s public and proofread. :-) >>> >>> From, >>> I dream of horses >>> She/her >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:45 PM, Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com >>> > <mailto:zvand...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hello, >>> > At the moment I am working on a document that extensively explains how >>> > we work on the Klexikon. If someone is interested, please send me a >>> > private message. The document is not really public yet. :-) >>> > Kind regards >>> > Ziko >>> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Klexikon >>> > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Klexikon> >>> > >>> > Am Mi., 22. Juni 2022 um 19:27 Uhr schrieb Mathias Damour >>> > <mathias.dam...@gmx.fr <mailto:mathias.dam...@gmx.fr>>: >>> >> >>> >> Hi, >>> >> >>> >> De: "Neurodivergent Netizen" <idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com >>> >> <mailto:idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com>> >>> >> I think a particular hurdle for a standalone WMF-affiliated kidipedia >>> >> project is the COPPA, and other similar laws both in the US and >>> >> elsewhere that could potentially increase civil liability. Another >>> >> hurdle is that America is very aware, perhaps overly aware, of the >>> >> potential safety risks when children are involved in websites. Then you >>> >> add in the fact that kids are likely to continue editing Wikipedia >>> >> instead of Kidipedia, and it’s not worth the extra effort. This effort >>> >> would include hiring/reassigning staff so you can have a team of people >>> >> for just Kidipedia, along with the background checks and identity >>> >> verification needed. None of that are obstacles that aren’t in the way >>> >> of kids editing the existing projects. >>> >> >>> >> I predict a WMF-affiliated kidipedia would largely be abandoned quite >>> >> quickly. >>> >> >>> >> You are probably right. I would say COPPA may not be the biggest hurdle, >>> >> yet the british "UK Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006" is another >>> >> one, and moreover the fact that "America is very aware, perhaps overly >>> >> aware, of the potential safety risks when children are involved in >>> >> websites" (and I would also say that "America" weight more the right of >>> >> parents to control what is taught to their children and less the right >>> >> of the children to inform themselves - the latter being upheld by the >>> >> Convention on the Rights of the Child, which the US didn't ratificate - >>> >> compared to other countries). >>> >> We reviewed it on https://en.vikidia.org/wiki/Vikidia:Legal_matters >>> >> <https://en.vikidia.org/wiki/Vikidia:Legal_matters> >>> >> >>> >> That wouldn't be a wise choice that WMF host such a wiki if it brings >>> >> the risk of being legaly attacked on that ground, even for bad reasons >>> >> and unsuccessfully, whereas it never happened to Vikidia in 15 years >>> >> (and very few kind of bad buzz like "look what they teach to the >>> >> children"). >>> >> >>> >> You tell about "hiring/reassigning staff so you can have a team of >>> >> people for just Kidipedia", well, that's quite exactly the point I >>> >> adressed on this blog post : >>> >> Vikidia, l’anti-professionnalisation >>> >> https://www.wikimedia.fr/vikidia-lanti-professionnalisation/ >>> >> <https://www.wikimedia.fr/vikidia-lanti-professionnalisation/> >>> >> ...to tell that the vision of children needing to be only alongside >>> >> their closed family and professionals workers - and that it should be >>> >> the same if a wiki for children is set (that we would need professionnal >>> >> educators either to write the articles, to design the project or to >>> >> manage the community or all that together) - did cause much delay to the >>> >> wiki encyclopedias for children, and how we do otherwise on Vikidia. >>> >> >>> >> Reminder, the Wikikids project was developped on this page and subpages : >>> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikikids >>> >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikikids> >>> >> >>> >> Envoyé: mercredi 22 juin 2022 à 12:37 >>> >> De: "Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga" <galder...@hotmail.com >>> >> <mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> >>> >> À: "Wikimedia Mailing List" <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >> <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>> >>> >> Objet: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia >>> >> From our experience, is just the opposite: Wikipedia is not asking any >>> >> extra step nor age confirmation, and legally you can have an account >>> >> even if you are underage. Children are consulting Wikipedia without >>> >> limits, and they can find adult content easily. We don't have any advice >>> >> about that, nor filters at Commons, where you can find even porn using >>> >> words that were not intended for that. The place is open, and we have >>> >> massive visits from children, so providing them a better place, thought >>> >> for them (as our strategic direction says) is better that not providing >>> >> at all. >>> >> >>> >> I can only agree! >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Mathias Damour >>> >> [[User:Astirmays]] >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >> <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>, guidelines at: >>> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>> >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines> and >>> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l> >>> >> Public archives at >>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/HS4SV6YSS5G7M4R53YJGFPGWHX24GMP3/ >>> >> >>> >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/HS4SV6YSS5G7M4R53YJGFPGWHX24GMP3/> >>> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> > <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>, guidelines at: >>> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>> > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines> and >>> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l> >>> > Public archives at >>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/IZDXGSZXB7ZPMLCNVBISGRI5XP7EAQHS/ >>> > >>> > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/IZDXGSZXB7ZPMLCNVBISGRI5XP7EAQHS/> >>> > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org> >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... >>> Name: not available >>> Type: text/html >>> Size: 7679 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> >>> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines> and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l> >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/HTN3JIJMER43A4KNILUX5ZQHWV43OY3B/ >> >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/HTN3JIJMER43A4KNILUX5ZQHWV43OY3B/> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines> and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l> > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/USSDXXXXU7HNPH7XPYYOEMLTZP7O35L5/ > > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/USSDXXXXU7HNPH7XPYYOEMLTZP7O35L5/> > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > <mailto:wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org> > > > > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines> and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l> > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/5OSXBNU34MZ6YOBZE7ECIIUKY6HDJGU2/ > > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/5OSXBNU34MZ6YOBZE7ECIIUKY6HDJGU2/> > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > <mailto:wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org>
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