> There is no major obstacle other than money and contributors to creating a 
> simple version encyclopaedia in any other language  in a non WMF environment. 

If Vikikids can find a way to find contributors and money to continue, then so 
can other non-WMF wikis. In fact, Miraheze provides an ad-free environment to 
do so; Wikia/Fandom also provides an ad-filled, for-profit platform, but has 
the advantage of being better known. Personally, I’d prefer Miraheze for nearly 
any wiki, including a simple non-English wiki that has a similar spirit to 
Simple English. I find Fandom ads distracting.

We don’t have to depend on the WMF to create a wiki. In fact, some might say we 
shouldn’t, but frankly, that warrants another thread to discuss.

From,
I dream of horses
She/her





> On Jun 24, 2022, at 1:15 AM, Peter Southwood <peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I find it more difficult to write for Simple English, because it (Simple 
> English) is not my first language and I do not think in it, and the words I 
> would normally use for the topics I prefer are not invented there and have to 
> be worked around, so it is translation a lot of the time. There is no major 
> obstacle other than money and contributors to creating a simple version 
> encyclopaedia in any other language  in a non WMF environment. 
> Cheers,
> Peter
>   <>
> From: Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga [mailto:galder...@hotmail.com 
> <mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>] 
> Sent: 24 June 2022 09:59
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia
>  
> Just a reminder that Simple English Wikipedia exists, but there are no Simple 
> _________ Wikipedia versions and there won't be. So that may be a solution 
> for English (it is not, as writing in Simple Wikipedia is way more complex 
> than doing at the regular one, because you must change the language) but not 
> for the other languages. There's where especial places for children may work.
>  
> Have a good day,
> Galder
> From: Neurodivergent Netizen <idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com>>
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 6:13 AM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
> <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia
>  
>> I don't disagree with trying to make language more understandable in 
>> general, though.
>  
> Right, but like I’m saying, we have the Simple Wikipedia already. 
>  
> From,
> I dream of horses
> She/her
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 23, 2022, at 8:57 PM, Clover Moss <clovermosswikipe...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:clovermosswikipe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> I don't disagree with trying to make language more understandable in general, 
> though. If there was a children's version, it might be useful for things like 
> math articles. I remember looking up stuff like the quadratic formula when I 
> was in high school, seeing way more advanced mathematics than I was used to 
> and just giving up that Wikipedia could be a useful resource for that. 
> Obviously Wikipedia isn't the end-all be-all for everything and it shouldn't 
> be (obviously it wasn't meant to help me with homework either), but I do 
> agree with the general principle expressed that WereSpielChequers that 
> Wikipedia should be written for a general audience and that's what considered 
> inappropriate is variable depending on your life circumstances. 
>  
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 9:57 AM WereSpielChequers 
> <werespielchequ...@gmail.com <mailto:werespielchequ...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I'm curious as to what level of reading skill you are writing this for and 
>> also what level of understanding/adulthood. 
>>  
>> I see these as two different issues and both are likely to vary sharply 
>> especially between different countries with very different education 
>> systems. 
>>  
>> A childrens' encyclopaedia written for nine year olds would surely be very 
>> different than one written for thirteen year olds. And content that parents 
>> of fourteen year olds thought was age inappropriate in Alabama might be 
>> thought appropriate or even bowdlerised by parents of ten year olds in 
>> London.
>>  
>> In other words, are you sure that one single childrens' encyclopaedia is the 
>> answer to either the problem of reading age or age appropriate content?
>>  
>> Where I think that Wikipedia could and should change re this is in our use 
>> of jargon. To my mind a "general interest" english language encyclopaedia 
>> should be written in plain English. I suspect other language versions have 
>> similar issues.  Perhaps if we focussed more on this we would make it easier 
>> for those who wish to create childrens' versions.
>>  
>> Regards
>>  
>> WSC
>>  
>> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 at 13:03, <wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org 
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 17:13:33 -0700
>>> From: Neurodivergent Netizen <idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com>>
>>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia
>>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
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>>> >> That wouldn't be a wise choice that WMF host such a wiki if it brings 
>>> >> the risk of being legaly attacked on that ground, even for bad reasons 
>>> >> and unsuccessfully, whereas it never happened to Vikidia in 15 years 
>>> >> (and very few kind of bad buzz like "look what they teach to the 
>>> >> children").
>>> 
>>> And of course, any WMF-affiliated wiki would be more at-risk simply because 
>>> of the association with the more well-known Wikipedia.
>>> 
>>> > The document is not really public yet. :-)
>>> 
>>> I think I can wait until it’s public and proofread. :-)
>>> 
>>> From,
>>> I dream of horses
>>> She/her
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:45 PM, Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com 
>>> > <mailto:zvand...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > Hello,
>>> > At the moment I am working on a document that extensively explains how
>>> > we work on the Klexikon. If someone is interested, please send me a
>>> > private message. The document is not really public yet. :-)
>>> > Kind regards
>>> > Ziko
>>> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Klexikon 
>>> > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Klexikon>
>>> > 
>>> > Am Mi., 22. Juni 2022 um 19:27 Uhr schrieb Mathias Damour
>>> > <mathias.dam...@gmx.fr <mailto:mathias.dam...@gmx.fr>>:
>>> >> 
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >> 
>>> >> De: "Neurodivergent Netizen" <idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com 
>>> >> <mailto:idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com>>
>>> >> I think a particular hurdle for a standalone WMF-affiliated kidipedia 
>>> >> project is the COPPA, and other similar laws both in the US and 
>>> >> elsewhere that could potentially increase civil liability. Another 
>>> >> hurdle is that America is very aware, perhaps overly aware, of the 
>>> >> potential safety risks when children are involved in websites. Then you 
>>> >> add in the fact that kids are likely to continue editing Wikipedia 
>>> >> instead of Kidipedia, and it’s not worth the extra effort.  This effort 
>>> >> would include hiring/reassigning staff so you can have a team of people 
>>> >> for just Kidipedia, along with the background checks and identity 
>>> >> verification needed. None of that are obstacles that aren’t in the way 
>>> >> of kids editing the existing projects.
>>> >> 
>>> >> I predict a WMF-affiliated kidipedia would largely be abandoned quite 
>>> >> quickly.
>>> >> 
>>> >> You are probably right. I would say COPPA may not be the biggest hurdle, 
>>> >> yet the british "UK Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006" is another 
>>> >> one, and moreover the fact that "America is very aware, perhaps overly 
>>> >> aware, of the potential safety risks when children are involved in 
>>> >> websites" (and I would also say that "America" weight more the right of 
>>> >> parents to control what is taught to their children and less the right 
>>> >> of the children to inform themselves - the latter being upheld by the 
>>> >> Convention on the Rights of the Child, which the US didn't ratificate - 
>>> >> compared to other countries).
>>> >> We reviewed it on https://en.vikidia.org/wiki/Vikidia:Legal_matters 
>>> >> <https://en.vikidia.org/wiki/Vikidia:Legal_matters>
>>> >> 
>>> >> That wouldn't be a wise choice that WMF host such a wiki if it brings 
>>> >> the risk of being legaly attacked on that ground, even for bad reasons 
>>> >> and unsuccessfully, whereas it never happened to Vikidia in 15 years 
>>> >> (and very few kind of bad buzz like "look what they teach to the 
>>> >> children").
>>> >> 
>>> >> You tell about "hiring/reassigning staff so you can have a team of 
>>> >> people for just Kidipedia", well, that's quite exactly the point I 
>>> >> adressed on this blog post :
>>> >> Vikidia, l’anti-professionnalisation
>>> >> https://www.wikimedia.fr/vikidia-lanti-professionnalisation/ 
>>> >> <https://www.wikimedia.fr/vikidia-lanti-professionnalisation/>
>>> >> ...to tell that the vision of children needing to be only alongside 
>>> >> their closed family and professionals workers - and that it should be 
>>> >> the same if a wiki for children is set (that we would need professionnal 
>>> >> educators either to write the articles, to design the project or to 
>>> >> manage the community or all that together) - did cause much delay to the 
>>> >> wiki encyclopedias for children, and how we do otherwise on Vikidia.
>>> >> 
>>> >> Reminder, the Wikikids project was developped on this page and subpages :
>>> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikikids 
>>> >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikikids>
>>> >> 
>>> >> Envoyé: mercredi 22 juin 2022 à 12:37
>>> >> De: "Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga" <galder...@hotmail.com 
>>> >> <mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>>
>>> >> À: "Wikimedia Mailing List" <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
>>> >> <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>
>>> >> Objet: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia
>>> >> From our experience, is just the opposite: Wikipedia is not asking any 
>>> >> extra step nor age confirmation, and legally you can have an account 
>>> >> even if you are underage. Children are consulting Wikipedia without 
>>> >> limits, and they can find adult content easily. We don't have any advice 
>>> >> about that, nor filters at Commons, where you can find even porn using 
>>> >> words that were not intended for that. The place is open, and we have 
>>> >> massive visits from children, so providing them a better place, thought 
>>> >> for them (as our strategic direction says) is better that not providing 
>>> >> at all.
>>> >> 
>>> >> I can only agree!
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >> Mathias Damour
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