I think the official WMF stance that it is functionally powerless is the wrong one to take. WMF should be much more aggressive, even if Google is a major donor to WMF.
On Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 11:16 AM Nicholas Perry <npe...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > As others mentioned in the thread, WMF can't enforce this directly as it > is not the copyright holder. However, in past instances, we have raised the > issue with Google (similar to the KPN example) and will do so for this one > as well. > > I am meeting with Google later today and will flag this to remind them of > the copyright obligations that come with using this text. > > Thanks for surfacing this, > > Nicholas > > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 12:58 PM <wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org> > wrote: > >> Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to >> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe, please visit >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimedia-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Wikimedia-l digest..." >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license? (Peter Southwood) >> 2. Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license? (Ciell Wikipedia) >> 3. Re: [Small Wiki Toolkit] Writing Wikidata Queries Using WDQS Tool >> Workshop On Tuesday, August 30th, 16:00 UTC >> (Seyram Komla Sapaty) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 11:18:53 +0200 >> From: "Peter Southwood" <peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> >> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license? >> To: "'F. Xavier Dengra i Grau'" <xavier.den...@protonmail.com>, >> "'Wikimedia Mailing List'" <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Message-ID: <002201d8bc51$8963c6a0$9c2b53e0$@telkomsa.net> >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01D8BC62.4CF06730" >> >> If I understand the CC-by-sa licence correctly, Wikipedia and WMF >> themselves do not own the copyright, it is owned by the contributors who >> created the text. They can take this up with Google, the WMF cannot. If you >> are one of those contributors you can approach Google as misusing your >> copyright. >> >> Cheers, Peter >> >> >> >> From: F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l [mailto: >> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org] >> Sent: 29 August 2022 19:00 >> To: Wikimedia Mailing List; le...@wikimedia.org >> Cc: F. Xavier Dengra i Grau >> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license? >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> I want to bring a legal concern here on Google's misuse of our content. >> It came up today < >> https://twitter.com/epineda/status/1564143156702199813?s=20&t=z2xu6PMB29vvkpNB79p2iQ> >> on Twitter that the GoogleTV app had linked a movie description text in >> Catalan language (which in principle it should be good news regarding >> language normalization). However, shortly after a wikipedian colleague >> realised that the text was fully taken by the Catalan Wikipedia. Once I >> downloaded the app by myself, I double-checked that Google does not specify >> anywhere (or at least that I could find minimally visible) that those lines >> belong to Wikipedia: neither the origin, the license, nor a link to the >> full article or to the CC license. >> >> >> >> I'd like to recall the licensing footpage on Wikipedia (Text is available >> under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0 < >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License> >> ) and its conditions, as well as to ask others to check whether there's >> more situations like this one. It's worth noting how wrong this is to >> minoritised language Wikipedias: not only the legal issue itself, but also >> the lack of legitimate clicks and views that we end up losing, the >> confusion and misunderstandings from the readers that think this is a win >> by Google (the example I shared, with both screenshots enclosed), and even >> a subsequent chicken-and-egg situation that can lead to deleted articles by >> some users thinking that the content was stolen from Google and not >> actually the opposite. >> >> >> >> I remember that there was a previous thread here, not so long ago, about >> the problems of Google taking over our data and therefore diminishing >> clicks to the Wikimedia projects. Considering that I am fully against the >> GAFAM-drift that the WMF is increasingly adopting by benefiting from Google >> in our human, economical and digital structures, I prefer to share it here >> as well -and not only to the legal team of the WMF (cced). >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> >> Xavier Dengra >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> < >> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >> width= >> >> Virus-free. < >> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> >> www.avg.com >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... >> Name: not available >> Type: text/html >> Size: 6934 bytes >> Desc: not available >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 11:44:04 +0200 >> From: Ciell Wikipedia <ciell.wikipe...@gmail.com> >> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license? >> To: "F. Xavier Dengra i Grau" <xavier.den...@protonmail.com>, >> Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Cc: "le...@wikimedia.org" <le...@wikimedia.org> >> Message-ID: >> < >> cagarbbd4hwuasxyubj-5yraydu1yfr2fepf7vaxonaorsu2...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary="0000000000009d824d05e7723af1" >> >> We had a similar problem with the Dutch KPN interactive tv six years ago, >> and as members of the Dutch WP community contacted the tv provider KPN, >> who >> referred us to Metrological <https://www.metrological.com/> for the >> issue. >> Metrological has been very responsive and with the next update of the tv >> app the copyright claim was replaced by a cc-by-sa notice for all three tv >> providers (KPN, Telfort and XS4All) they served. >> As I mentioned, this was in 2016, and I have no idea how the situation is >> nowadays, but back then just sending an email and reaching out about the >> wrong copyright claim worked for us. >> >> Best, >> Ciell >> >> >> Op di 30 aug. 2022 om 00:41 schreef F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via >> Wikimedia-l >> <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>: >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I want to bring a legal concern here on Google's misuse of our content. >> It >> > came up today on Twitter >> > < >> https://twitter.com/epineda/status/1564143156702199813?s=20&t=z2xu6PMB29vvkpNB79p2iQ >> > >> > that the GoogleTV app had linked a movie description text in Catalan >> > language (which in principle it should be good news regarding language >> > normalization). However, shortly after a wikipedian colleague realised >> that >> > the text was fully taken by the Catalan Wikipedia. Once I downloaded the >> > app by myself, I double-checked that Google does not specify anywhere >> (or >> > at least that I could find minimally visible) that those lines belong to >> > Wikipedia: neither the origin, the license, nor a link to the full >> article >> > or to the CC license. >> > >> > I'd like to recall the licensing footpage on Wikipedia (*Text is >> > available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0 >> > < >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License >> >*) >> > and its conditions, as well as to ask others to check whether there's >> more >> > situations like this one. It's worth noting how wrong this is to >> > minoritised language Wikipedias: not only the legal issue itself, but >> also >> > the lack of legitimate clicks and views that we end up losing, the >> > confusion and misunderstandings from the readers that think this is a >> win >> > by Google (the example I shared, with both screenshots enclosed), and >> even >> > a subsequent chicken-and-egg situation that can lead to deleted >> articles by >> > some users thinking that the content was stolen from Google and not >> > actually the opposite. >> > >> > I remember that there was a previous thread here, not so long ago, about >> > the problems of Google taking over our data and therefore diminishing >> > clicks to the Wikimedia projects. Considering that I am fully against >> the >> > GAFAM-drift that the WMF is increasingly adopting by benefiting from >> Google >> > in our human, economical and digital structures, I prefer to share it >> here >> > as well -and not only to the legal team of the WMF (cced). >> > >> > Kind regards, >> > >> > Xavier Dengra >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> > Public archives at >> > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/3ZA3UKQYGHT2S76MMHIZRIL4C432YMHB/ >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... >> Name: not available >> Type: text/html >> Size: 4942 bytes >> Desc: not available >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 10:57:26 +0000 >> From: Seyram Komla Sapaty <ssap...@wikimedia.org> >> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: [Small Wiki Toolkit] Writing Wikidata >> Queries Using WDQS Tool Workshop On Tuesday, August 30th, 16:00 >> UTC >> To: Wikitech-l <wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org>, Wikimedia >> Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>, Wikimedia >> Cloud >> Services general discussion and support < >> cl...@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Message-ID: >> <CAJniVEkeQ= >> gufhmf4q7qvuv82mjkcebpet1lkp-bknvxofw...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary="000000000000f29ab705e7734042" >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> This is a friendly reminder that the workshop >> < >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Small_wiki_toolkits/Workshops#Writing_Wikidata_queries_using_the_WDQS_tool >> > >> starts in ~5 hours time (UTC 16:00). >> >> Correction: >> The previous message pointed to the wrong etherpad doc. >> The correct link is here >> <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/swt-wikidata-queries>. >> The description should have also read: >> *"This workshop will cover aspects of using the Wikidata Query Service, >> with some discussion of ways in which Wikipedias can take advantage of its >> capabilities for their own improvement."* >> >> See you soon! >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 5:47 PM Seyram Komla Sapaty < >> ssap...@wikimedia.org> >> wrote: >> >> > Hello everyone, >> > >> > The seventh workshop on the topic of "Writing Wikidata queries using the >> > WDQS tool" is coming up - it will take place on Tuesday, August 30th at >> > 16:00 UTC. >> > You can find more details on the workshop and a link to join here >> > < >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Small_wiki_toolkits/Workshops#Writing_Wikidata_queries_using_the_WDQS_tool >> > >> > [1]. >> > >> > This session will focus on how to access and save information to >> Wikidata, >> > including through page generators and queries++, using pywikibot. >> > It will also cover the Wikidata conventions about bot-editing, including >> > the bot approvals process. >> > >> > To participate in this workshop, you would need basic familiarity with >> > Wikidata and Pywikibot installation. >> > You can add your discussion ideas on the etherpad doc >> > <https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/swt-wikidata-pywikibot-scripts>.[2] >> > >> > We look forward to your participation! >> > >> > [1]: >> > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Small_wiki_toolkits/Workshops#Writing_Wikidata_queries_using_the_WDQS_tool >> > [2]: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/swt-wikidata-pywikibot-scripts >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > -- >> > Seyram Komla Sapaty >> > Developer Advocate >> > Wikimedia Cloud Services >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A message part incompatible with plain text digests has been removed ... >> Name: not available >> Type: text/html >> Size: 2700 bytes >> Desc: not available >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 583, Issue 1 >> ******************************************* >> > > > -- > Nicholas Perry > Strategic Partnerships > Wikimedia Foundation > E: npe...@wikimedia.org > M: +385 99 380 8015 > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/M5AFLZHEN2UZS3ESKHEZR2NLWFBYTMPE/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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