Setting up a project outside the WMF would be much easier to start with. One can then trial the idea and if successful the movement may then be willing to have the WMF take it on.
WikiVoyage started outside the WMF by a small group in Germany (after they split from WikiTravel). They had an active community and simply migrated to WMF servers. Similarly we at Wiki Project Med have started NC Commons https://nccommons.org/wiki/Main_Page Will the movement be interested in this project at some point? I guess we will see. James On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 3:16 AM Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > My plate is full at the moment, and project creation is not a specific > interest of mine. I hope that Adam does not see things as demotivating; > creating a new project type *should* be a big challenge. I do think that > those standards need to be significantly revised. They were all written at > a time when the WMF had no problems at all just raising the target for > fundraising, and being successful with the new goal. This year we are > dealing with the reality that the fundraising pool is not unlimited. We > have been told flat out that there are significant limitations to the > available human resources required to create a new project. This isn't > 2012 anymore, it's 11 years later, and the world in which the Wikimedia > community operates has changed significantly. We can't just be doing the > same things that we did back in the olden days. It would be setting > ourselves up - as a community and as a potential new project - for failure. > > Risker/Anne > > On Mon, 15 May 2023 at 13:53, Ilario valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think that here the proposal is to have a new sister project ( >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_projects). >> >> There is a long list: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_projects >> >> The concept behind a new sister project is the capacity to build a >> community and an enthusastic group of people. >> >> The policy is here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_project_process >> >> There is nothing about capacity and risk management. >> >> I wanted to encourage Adam after some very demotivating comments and to >> look to the positive aspects that, in my opinion, are present in this idea. >> >> To start his project, he needs 10 interested participants / supporters. >> Are you interested? >> >> Kind regards >> On 15/05/2023 19:16, Risker wrote: >> >> So....how much does it cost to develop and run an entirely new and >> different type of project? Who develops it? How much would the hosting >> cost on an ongoing basis? Is this project more important and more needed >> than an existing project type? >> >> These aren't small questions; they are in fact the questions that need to >> be asked every time we come up with an idea (no matter how great the idea) >> for a new project type. Contrary to popular belief, there isn't an >> unlimited budget, and there aren't unlimited staffing resources for these >> things. Everything costs real money and the time of real people, and we as >> a broad community need to be far more cognizant of the limitations of these >> resources, and the likelihood that the financial situation is not going to >> change significantly in the coming five years. >> >> Personally, I think this is an idea with possibilities, but it is a very >> expensive one because it will need an entirely different way of operating. >> So...where would be cut costs to make this possible? Should we close some >> little-used projects so they no longer draw on our limited pool of >> resources? Should we cut back on volunteer/community safety and resources? >> >> There are always trade-offs. In the WMF annual plan, they talk about >> some of those trade-offs. This is another one. New, different projects >> need to be able to justify their cost and existence. In fact, in the >> not-too-distant future, I can foresee that some minimal-use projects may >> also have to justify their existence. I am all in favour of being >> visionary - but I'm also in favour of planting these visions in solid >> ground. >> >> Risker/Anne >> >> On Mon, 15 May 2023 at 12:19, Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I like the idea. >>> >>> Sometimes people need a simple answer. >>> >>> At the moment to receive an answer from Wikipedia for some articles >>> people need a Phd. >>> >>> A solution like that can give a smart and quick and understable answer. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> On Mon, 15 May 2023, 11:48 Adam Sobieski, <adamsobie...@hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Wikimedia, >>>> >>>> Per the recent interest in and discussions about artificial >>>> intelligence in this mailing list, I am pleased to indicate the >>>> *Wikianswers* project proposal. The proposal describes some approaches >>>> for integrating these technologies (e.g., multimodal dialogue systems, >>>> chatbots, and question-answering systems) with existing Wiki platforms. >>>> >>>> "Wikianswers would be a large-scale, user-editable cache of multimodal >>>> answers from artificial intelligence systems, e.g., one or more large >>>> language models, which tightly integrates with Wikipedia, Wikidata, and >>>> Commons." >>>> >>>> This project proposal is described in more detail here: >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikianswers . >>>> >>>> Thank you. Please feel free to review the project proposal and to >>>> comment either here or there with any opinions, questions, feedback, or >>>> suggestions. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Adam Sobieski >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >>>> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>> Public archives at >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/JXYO3QW6QYCBHLS4JOHKPPAIJRPMYO4C/ >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/5BFKXPFA6NWGBEY26YSBRP3PUNFWW73Y/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/35ALTTWNCCV56EMW7KYCP7NRKVDXBRIY/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> -- >> Ilario Valdelli >> Wikimedia CH >> Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens >> Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre >> Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera >> Switzerland - 8008 Zürich >> Wikipedia: Ilario >> Skype: valdelli >> Tel: +41764821371http://www.wikimedia.ch >> >> _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/TMO5RH5OGGY6EO4Q6KJPC7F2WZE2I5GT/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
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