It would be nice at some point in the not too distant future to receive a statement from the Board of Trustees itself - is the current situation fine? Are there issues that definitely need to be addressed? Should we expect more Europeans to get elected next year? Should anyone outside of Europe even care about the next vote?
At this point I'd be happy about any kind of leadership, vision, strategy, speech... anything that would get us started on improving who we are and where we're going, instead of being stuck in a place that reinforces the privileges of a few and leaves everyone else spending way too much time on things that shouldn't matter as much as they do :-) Philip On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 at 14:59, Florence Devouard <fdevou...@gmail.com> wrote: > Very big thank you Maciej for this additional analysis of the votes and > for the absolute clarity of its presentation. Very well done. > It is fascinating. > > > In any cases, it also indicates that the "un-education" with regards to > how this voting system works actually extend to all voters, whoever the > candidate they primarily voted upon. It does not seem to matter whether > they are from an under-represented community or not. > In completion to your ""1 candidate only" votes", I simply draw a > percentage of 1 candidate only compared to all #1 votes per candidate > It ranks from 7% (for Mohammed, Erik, Bobby, Rosie) to 23% (for Lorenzo). > With most percentages being between 7% to 15% > The highest percentages are for Maciej, Lorenzo and Farah. > > So really... it is a very general issue. I do not think my comment here is > biaised. Voters just do not get it. That's it. > > To be honest... I can not say that the "explanation" page provided ahead > of the elections is bringing much light : > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/Single_Transferable_Vote > My biased comment is : it does not speak to me. I think the Sankey diagram > of this election only would speak more to most voters to increase their > skills. > > After battle thought... do the most popular candidates have a sort of > special responsibility to call their fans to vote beyond their "hero" ? As > is... what if a candidate was asked in the "standard questions" > pre-election to provide a recommandation as to who they would love to work > with as board members (=suggest their voters to also vote for X and Y). > > Otherwise, two general trends, geography and gender (eg, one who voted for > a woman, is more likely to vote for another woman next), but we already > knew that from the previous graphic. > > Flo > > > Le 19/10/2024 à 13:52, Wikipedysta Nadzik a écrit : > > *Thank you everyone for all your congratulations, both here and in > private!* > > Thanks to some unexpected free time, I created a summary of some voting > stats based on the publicly available vote dump > <https://vote.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SecurePoll/vote/1638> (please > don't worry, it is impossible to see how any single person voted!). > > *The stats are available here: User:Nadzik/BoT elections 2024 stats > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Nadzik/BoT_elections_2024_stats> on > Meta.* > > Given my position in this process, I choose to refrain from commenting on > the data; I publish it and its visualisation without biased commentary. I > invite you to take a look at it and interpret it yourself. > > I can only highlight that *some of the points mentioned above have a > basis in the available data.* > > We also await for more data (i.e. voter turnout) to be published on the > official > page > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2024/Stats>by > the WMF, which will give some more insights. > > Cheers, > > sob., 12 paź 2024 o 12:47 kayode yussuf via Wikimedia-l < > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> napisał(a): > >> Congratulations to the newly elected board members, and huge thanks to >> those who chaperoned the process. >> >> I must also second Florence's point on voters' education. >> >> The board is an important instrument for the community and the >> foundation, we must seek to get the best hands-on board, even if we want >> minorities represented. >> >> >> *Kayode Yussuf* >> >> >> >> On Friday, October 11, 2024 at 07:46:58 PM EDT, Levi Kambai Timothy < >> camylev...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Congrats to all elected board members. Hoping those who lost (both the >> voters and the voted) will take note of the concerns including low edit >> counts and improper voting to do better next time. It will be good to have >> a movement with representatives from across the globe, but then what they >> have to offer matters, too. Change is a process, not a destination. >> >> Warm regards, >> Kambai >> >> On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 at 22:01, Florence Devouard <fdevou...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> I am not 100% sure I understand the graphic well. So please correct me if >> I am wrong in my interpretation. >> >> But the way I understand it, it seems to me that the issue #1 is that >> voters are un-educated about how to vote wisely in such a voting system. >> >> For example, let's consider the votes from those who voted for Tesleemah. >> When she was dropped, 80 of the votes went down the drain. That means 80 >> people voted either for her ONLY, or for her and maybe Mohammed and Erik. >> That is IT. >> Their vote was lost. I in fact suspect that she had a lot of voters for >> her who actually put only her name and none others. >> Maybe those voters did not understand how valuable it would have been to >> put more names on their list. >> >> I know that I realized that situation during the voting process when some >> people told me that they had voted for "their favorite choice". And when I >> said "you probably should not vote for only one person but for several", >> they went "Really ????" >> >> The fact that 413 votes were lost all together as non-transferable is >> certainly pointing out to a lack of understanding of the process and how to >> make the best of the vote. >> >> And maybe some communities understand this voting system better than >> other communities. >> >> My point #2 is that if under represented communities really want to have >> a person on the board, they really need to adopt a collective strategy >> where there will be only one candidate for it to avoid spreading thin. >> OR, if they have two (or more), they need to push the idea that the >> people voting for them should also put a vote for the other, for the rank >> immediately below, rather than only for their favorite choice amongst the >> two (obviously, they should vote for the two only if both options are >> acceptable in their book). This would ensure the vote to be transferred to >> the second when their fav choice is eliminated. >> >> >> Looks to me that the issue might be rethinking on how to teach voters how >> to vote strategically. >> >> And maybe... maybe... though it is a "decrease of liberty", it should be >> made mandatory to rank at least half of the candidates ? >> >> >> Flo >> >> >> >> >> Le 11/10/2024 à 11:49, Philip Kopetzky a écrit : >> >> Well, congratulations to 4 people living in Western Europe. If this >> result doesn't get the Wikimedia Foundation to rethink their approach to >> how they select their board members, I don't know what will. >> >> I guess it's up to communities, affiliates and regional structures to >> create the change we want to see, noe more than ever. >> >> On Fri, 11 Oct 2024, 11:38 Katie Chan, <k...@ktchan.info> wrote: >> >> *You can find translations of this message or help translate this message >> on Meta >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2024/Announcement/Results(short_version)>.* >> >> Hello all, >> >> Thank you to everyone who participated in the 2024 Wikimedia Foundation >> Board of Trustees election >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2024>. >> 6000 community members from more than 180 wiki projects have voted. >> >> The following four candidates were the most voted: >> >> - Christel Steigenberger >> - Maciej Artur Nadzikiewicz >> - Victoria Doronina >> - Lorenzo Losa >> >> While these candidates have been ranked through the vote, they still need >> to be appointed to the Board of Trustees. They need to pass a successful >> background check and meet the qualifications outlined in the Bylaws. New >> trustees will be appointed at the next Board meeting in December 2024. >> >> Read the full announcement on Meta-Wiki >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2024/Announcement/Results(long_version)> >> >> Best regards, >> >> The Elections Committee and Board Selection Working Group >> >> -- >> Katie Chan >> Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent the view of any organisation the >> author is associated with or employed by. >> >> >> Experience is a good school but the fees are high. >> - Heinrich Heine >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/4HJ2INEFLQD233H3BQBWZ2BP65NN7FRY/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/HXWD2ZSMZF46OVVBBZY45OSNJSHX5AYM/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/KDL5ZML4UEHYSZGYFCA2A72PSFBHLSWN/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/RRMSNEB4S5IYCA6KDR6HOM6FOCSI5JFM/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/SAV5B45NEE22KLSFAFXRNK4W4HBLFW4G/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > -- > *User:Nadzik <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Nadzik>* > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/XXSPXYPCLFAJWEYYQIAAZXUUBT5FNETF/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/UOIBJ3DFPLUHF2PG6OMA35JZQIDYT6VJ/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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