Hoi,
It depends what we aim to be. When we expose our references as a start,
when we combine it with what we also have in media and data. When the media
is presented, when the data is presented in an intelligible way, we already
serve the sum of all the knowledge as we have it. We do not pretend to
serve in competition to a Google, we serve enriched information and
Wikipedia is very much served to a new public from a different angle.
When we finally REALLY partner with like minded orgs like Internet Archive,
Open Library, the Biodiversity Heritage Library ... results to their
websites will feature equally prominent. When we REALLY partner with ORCiD,
CrossRef, Retraction Watch our long awaited WikiCite will finally happen.
The way to start is by starting in a Wiki way as we did with Commons. It
started its physical existence like an idea, it then morphed into a working
concept and finally into the project it is today. We do not have to be
perfect, it will not be perfect but we sure as hell can be functional and
draw its own crowd. A crowd that will work in an open environment and
invited to make it different, different for the better and the crowd may
become a more global community.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 at 18:52, Erik Moeller via Wikimedia-l <
[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2026 at 5:59 PM James Heilman via Wikimedia-l
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Yah a search engine that actually gives real references that supports
> the statements in question would be amazing.
>
> Almost like .. a Knowledge Engine. ;-)
>
> Sadly, the only realistic path I see there would be through
> acquisition, and even if that was financially feasible, you'd begin by
> inheriting a lot of corporate practices that aren't really consistent
> with Wikimedia values.
>
> But perhaps there is a middle ground where Wikimedia seeks to define
> more clearly the terms of engagement that it wants with search engines
> (clear attribution, clear and correct references, calls-to-edit,
> etc.), and then finds and recognizes search partners who implement
> those. To Luis' point, that need not be done by WMF.
>
> Warmly,
>
> Erik
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