Yeah, I think I'm just going to stay out of this.

2016's results, mundane though they may be, were at least actionable, even regardless of whether or not they were the right things to focus on. This, though, from looking at the guides, doesn't even seem like it's going to establish a consensus what movement and WMF priorities should be in general now, let alone in the future... because at no point does anyone actually ask that, even though that would be a very important question to answer. It's all themes and vision and random examples of what people want to see happen.

That's just me, though. I'll leave all this up to you lot. Thank you Abhay for taking the initiative to sort it out, or stuff.

-I

On 21/04/17 04:43, James Salsman wrote:
As far as I can tell, the 15 year projection is supposed to be far enough further than the discernible horizon that a wider variety of opinions will be considered valid, and thus may allow more constructive engagement. Think of brainstorming sessions, where people aren't allowed to criticize others, only proposed improved or different ideas.

I agree we should finish implementing the ideas from previous strategies before starting new ones, but I gather that they have been too mundane. I thing these are very good: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_Foundation/2016/Recommendations
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_Foundation/2016/Recommendations

Perhaps "finish implementing previous strategy ideas" can be something we all can agree on?

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 10:01 PM Isarra Yos <zhoris...@gmail.com <mailto:zhoris...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Thank you for the kind words (and link), but I am just totally
    lost at this point, and Abhay went ahead and did it all on his own
    regardless.

    Was there something wrong with the previous approach of just
    figuring out what the movement role is as we go, letting it evolve
    as the world itself does?


    -I


    On 20/04/17 05:57, James Salsman wrote:
    Isarra, why don't you do it? You are by far the most prominent
    Colorado Wikimedian, and have been for years. I think you are
    supposed to ask other Colorado WIkimedians these questions, in
    person if possible, or on this list:

    https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Participate

    And then add a summary of whatever the answers are at one of the
    designated places.

    I'm headed from Fort Lupton to Beijing next week and will be
    there until Wikimania in August, and might not be back in
    Colorado until December, but you can get a pretty good idea of
    what I hope to achieve in the next 15 years (which is,
    coincidentally, what the strategy discussion topic is) from
    meta:User:James_Salsman and the corresponding talk page, where I
    was recently unblocked to make a free open source alternative to
    Rosetta Stone and the like (did you know Rosetta Stone's speech
    team is in Boulder?) I got blocked earlier in the decade for
    surveying the inactive enwiki admins (after being blocked on
    enwiki in 2007 for suggesting to a Department of Defense employee
    who purported to be a medical doctor that it would have been
    wiser to recommend against breathing uranium fumes, which was
    taken as a legal threat. So I began a ten year sockpuppetry
    breaching experiment in accordance with WP:IAR, but I have ceased
    and denounced that behavior.)

    Best regards,
    Jim Salsman

    On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:42 PM Isarra Yos <zhoris...@gmail.com
    <mailto:zhoris...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        Technically I think this might be you, from our history thus
        far. Which makes you a bit like most of the wikimedia dc
        board - most of them aren't actually in DC anymore, either.

        Or something. Do they ever define anywhere exactly what a
        discussion coordinator actually is/does?


        -I


        On 19/04/17 01:59, Gaurav Vaidya wrote:
        Any volunteers?

        Cheers,
        Gaurav

        Typed on a tiny keyboard.

        Begin forwarded message:

        *From:* Nicole Ebber <nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de
        <mailto:nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de>>
        *Date:* April 18, 2017 at 9:57:30 PM EDT
        *To:* Nicole Ebber <nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de
        <mailto:nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de>>
        *Subject:* *Your User Group's movement strategy conversations*

        Greetings,

        I hope this email finds you well. As we are ending cycle 1
        of the
        movement strategy process conversation today, I am
        currently looking
        into the list of organized groups on Meta and reaching out
        to groups
        we haven’t heard back from.[1]

        I have noticed that your User Group has not designated a
        discussion
        coordinator yet, and wanted to see if there is any
        information that
        you are missing right now, or any support you need. Of
        course, I would
        also like to hear from you if you decide not to participate
        right now.
        Every feedback will help us to improve and iterate on the
        ongoing
        process.

        Looking forward to hearing from you,
        Nicole

        [1]
        
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Outreach/List


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