Hi guys,

I just wanted to thank you for your patience. Indeed the situation is that
we have lowered our engagement on the issue last Autumn as it was a bit
difficult to handle as we perhaps felt that we did not have all the
information, our advice was ignored (for example, founding an association
without our approval and explicit disapproval is rarely received as a sign
of good collaboration on the road towards affiliation) and there were few
volunteers on AffCom both willing to engage and having the time to process
all the information.

Recently we have renewed our membership and are about to do an internal
reappraisal of our on-going stance on this application, which will
hopefully result in a clearer path and understanding of the next steps. I
expect we will be re-reading your current and previous answers and try to
figure out whether we see the proposed organization as compatible with the
chapter model or one of the other recognized models, and we will proceed to
engage you based on that understanding or more likely in search for more
information to be able to reach an understanding.

I recognize that this has been very frustrating for you and I hope we can
have a more fruitful relationship going forward. Please give us a bit more
time until the renewed committee gets up to speed on this application with
all its history.

Again, I thank you for your patience and all your work in advancing our
mission,

Best regards,
Bence
AffCom


On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Alexandre Hannud Abdo
<a...@member.fsf.org>wrote:

> Ni!
>
> Hi Tomasz, everyone,
>
> I stand by what Rodrigo stated based on the links he provides us, to
> which I add this message:
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediabr-l/2012-October/012518.html
>
> wherein on October 25 I explicitly called out to you and Maria that all
> questions had been replied.
>
> So please stand with less prejudice towards us and weight your words.
>
> Regarding the guide, we find it useful, and yet it is what it is, a guide.
>
> The purpose of a persistent committee is to accumulate wisdom and deal
> with situations that should not be completely standardized, as the
> Wikimedia Movement has understood is the case with chapter formation.
>
> Because of that, we thank you very much for your time, and so let us go
> ahead to make the best use of yours and ours. There are answers to your
> latest questions on the wiki, plase check the page and fill it in should
> there be other ones.
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Brasil/AffCom
>
> Cheers,
>
> ale
>
> On 27-02-2013 06:57, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote:
> > Your question (9 October 2012)
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Brasil%2FAffCom&diff=4226232&oldid=4225903
> >
> > Our answer (25 October 2012)
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Brasil%2FAffCom&diff=4329120&oldid=4226691
> >
> > And:
> > /"Just so we don't go off-label, can we agree that will be covered in
> > *wmbrorganization* ? ^=^ --Solstag
> > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Solstag> (talk
> > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Solstag>) 10:27, 9 October
> > 2012 (UTC)
> >
> > Sure, feel free to answer this wherever you want. odder
> > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Odder> (talk
> > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Odder>) 10:57, 9 October 2012
> > (UTC)" /
> >
> > And if the answer was not clear, we have not received any feedback
> > saying it was not yet clear.
> >
> >
> > On 27 February 2013 06:39, Tomasz W. Kozłowski <odder.w...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:odder.w...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     On 27 February 2013 <tel:2013> 04:41, Alexandre wrote:
> >
> >     > There has not been a single edit to that page or public reply
> since.
> >
> >     Exactly; there have not been any edits even from your side--and just
> >     as I pointed out in my previous message, there is at least one
> >     question that still awaits an answer; I asked it on October 9, and
> >     have never heard back since.
> >
> >     > As soon as you provide questions on that page we can provide an
> >     answer,
> >     > if there are any real issues to be clarified that have not already
> >     been.
> >
> >     For now, let us wait until the questions I asked in my e-mail are
> >     answered; these /are/ real issues, and they haven't been clarified
> >     yet.
> >
> >     > The questions you seem to bring in your email, as I understand, are
> >     > trivial and have been made and answered informally, but if you
> really
> >     > feel you need a group stateent, I again point you to the link
> above.
> >
> >     From my point of view, these are hardly trivial matters; quite the
> >     opposite, I would consider a group getting approved without following
> >     the usual process--described at
> >     <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Step-by-step_chapter_creation_guide
> >--quite
> >     important.
> >
> >     As far as I know, this Committee has never been informed about your
> >     plans to hold a founding meeting for the Association during that
> >     conference; neither was it told about the actions to register the
> >     Association that (apparently) followed that meeting. All this came to
> >     us as a surprise when we learned about it on the day of the
> >     conference.
> >
> >     > Just tells us exactly what it is you need to know, and we will
> provide
> >     > clear and thorough answers just as we have always done.
> >
> >     I was under the impression that my questions were clear enough; if
> >     they are not, please let me know and I will try to rephrase them for
> >     your convenience.
> >
> >     --
> >     Tomasz W. Kozłowski
> >     a.k.a. [[user:odder]]
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
> > rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com <mailto:rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com>
> > +55 11 979 718 884
> >
> >
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