Ah,a diferença caiu um pouco - não está de 147%, mas de 137%: comparando a
cidade mais cara da Índia c/ SP (cuswto de vida impacta em cadeia) -
http://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/comparison/bangalore/sao-paulo

E no caso dos impostos relativos a salários ou serviços a diferença é de 2%
(Índia) pra 57% (BR) sobre salários brutos.

Oona


On 1 April 2014 01:49, Oona Castro <oonacas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Pessoal,
>
> vamos todos pra Índia? ;-)
>
> tirar de contexto é muito complicado:
>
> 1) Sobre o foco nos projetos Wikimedia: nós não tiramos de nossa agenda
> nada do que estava previsto e não vi ninguém propor nenhuma atividade que
> não estivesse lá. Eu, ao procurar um parceiro, de fato procurei
> convergências, mas não um CNPJ pra executar. O CIS já era uma organização
> próxima dos desenvolvedores da WM. Como Garoa, talvez? A quem procurei. Mas
> não queriam ter que contratar equipes, etc. Eu acho MUITO fora dos meus
> princípios propor qualquer parceria local falando "o projeto é esse, por
> favor, executem". Mas cada um é um. Acho que modelo de parceria não tem
> chance de sobreviver assim. Mas...
>
> Sugiro que o pessoal da comunidade e da equipe que tem manifestado
> incômodo com isso sugira uma organização, projeto e um orçamento até junho.
>
> 2) Alguém tem ideia de quanto representam 300 mil dólarea na Índia? Como
> eu já previa essa comparação improcedente, eu esclareci isso na própria
> proposta. Difícil fazer essa conta assim rapidamente, mas cada 100 mil
> dólares na Índia equivale, em custo de vida, a 250 mil dólares aqui, tá?
>
> "According to the Bereau of Labor Statistcs, in 2012, for each hourly pay
> for time worked on the value of 5.95, the labor costs achieved 11.20,
> almost twice the amount 
> [1]<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programa_Catalisador_do_Brasil/Planejamento_2012-2013/Parcerias/A%C3%A7%C3%A3o_Educativa/Proposal/Budget#cite_note-1>paid.
>  Brazil has one of the highest costs for employment: the costs over
> gross salary may achieve almost 60% the amount paid 
> [2]<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programa_Catalisador_do_Brasil/Planejamento_2012-2013/Parcerias/A%C3%A7%C3%A3o_Educativa/Proposal/Budget#cite_note-2>
> [3]<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programa_Catalisador_do_Brasil/Planejamento_2012-2013/Parcerias/A%C3%A7%C3%A3o_Educativa/Proposal/Budget#cite_note-3>.
> For the sake of comparison, while taxes for employers in Brazil achieve
> 57,56%, in India, employers pay 3,67% 
> [4]<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programa_Catalisador_do_Brasil/Planejamento_2012-2013/Parcerias/A%C3%A7%C3%A3o_Educativa/Proposal/Budget#cite_note-4>.
> Over the net salary it may achieve almost 100%."
>
> (...)
>
> "Also, maintaining a formal organization in Brazil is quite expensive
> (also because of this kind of costs, the expression "Custo 
> Brasil"<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_cost>became a very common 
> expression). This makes all organizations, especially
> those whose incomes are usually based on projects and programmes (and not
> in manufacturing and getting profit out of selling products), insert lines
> regarding institutional costs in all projects they get funding for. There
> are many expenses that are usually not "dividable" (location and
> maintenance of the venue, administration costs, electricity, water, legal
> support/consultancy, accountants etc). Administrative rates usually vary
> from 10% to 30%, depending on the costs involved in general institutional
> and administrative support."
> Cost of living
>
> Brazil's cost of living is getting higher every year. Again, for the sake
> of comparison with our "brother project", the Catalyst Program in India,
> the cost of living in São Paulo is 147% higher than in Bangalore 
> [5]<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programa_Catalisador_do_Brasil/Planejamento_2012-2013/Parcerias/A%C3%A7%C3%A3o_Educativa/Proposal/Budget#cite_note-5>.
> When compared to San Francisco, it's about 35% cheaper 
> [6]<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programa_Catalisador_do_Brasil/Planejamento_2012-2013/Parcerias/A%C3%A7%C3%A3o_Educativa/Proposal/Budget#cite_note-6>.
> Two years ago Brazil's cost of living had overcome US's cost of living 
> [7]<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programa_Catalisador_do_Brasil/Planejamento_2012-2013/Parcerias/A%C3%A7%C3%A3o_Educativa/Proposal/Budget#cite_note-7>.
> However, in 2013 the US dollar achieved its highest rate since 2008. When
> we started designing the budget, dollar was still under R$ 2,00. The
> exchange rate for receiving dollars in Brazil is now between 2.25 and 2,30.
> To avoid major risks in this unstable economy, though, we'd better be
> conservative about the dollar rates now and report back compensating the
> difference when it's time to receive the second installment from Wikimedia
> Foundation.
>
>
> Oona
>
>
> On 1 April 2014 00:18, Luiz Augusto <lugu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Programa catalisador da Índia planeja, para o período 2014-2015, 21
>> projetos de impacto direto nas comunidades e wikis, por um custo inferior a
>> trezentos mil dólares.
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Vishnu <visdav...@gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 2:06 PM
>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15
>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>
>>
>> Dear Wikimedians,
>>
>> I am glad to share with you the detailed work plan of CIS-A2K for the
>> period July 2014-July 2015 [1] . This work plan consists of 21 plans across
>> 6 verticals.
>>
>> These are:
>> * 7 Language Area Plans
>> * 3 Community Strengthening Initiatives
>> * 8 Stand-alone Wikimedia Projects
>> * Creating Movement Resources
>> * Publicity, Research and Documentation
>> * General Support and Service to the Movement
>>
>> The work plan includes details of aims, objectives, programme activities
>> and expected outcomes. Most of the language area plans were put together in
>> active consultation with the respective Wikimedia language communities.
>> Various inputs and ideas contributed, opportunities provided, and
>> challenges thrown at the CIS-A2K program during the last year by the
>> Wikimedia communities in India, our institutional partners, Executive
>> Committee (EC) of Wikimedia India Chapter (WMIN) and the Wikimedia
>> Foundation's Grantmaking Team have significantly informed our work plans.
>>
>> Each plan has an independent budget and is closely mapped on to the
>> implementation plan. An attempt is made to correlate why we are spending a
>> certain amount on a certain activity. Thus all these budgets are very
>> optimally planned and the overall budget is an assimilation. CIS-A2K
>> believes that this will give mission level transparency to our work and
>> provide a clearer structure of accountability to the movement and the
>> community.
>>
>> Please do share your feedback and inputs on the respective plan
>> discussion pages. We would be glad to correct ourselves if you could point
>> out to any major omissions and errors in plans. We will be approaching the
>> FDC requesting support for this work plan [2].
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Vishnu
>> (Program Director, CIS-A2K)
>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_
>> Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015
>> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/
>> 2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form
>>
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