I wish to attend the meeting. What are the procedures for this? (Any 
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: WikiMeetup - Bangalore -12 (CherianTinu Abraham)
   2. Re: WikiMeetup - Bangalore -12 (CherianTinu Abraham)
   3. Clarification, Apology and Plans. (Kiruba @ Kiruba.com)
   4. Re: Wikimedia India Chapter (Shahid Akhtar)
   5. Re: Wikimedia India Chapter (Gautam John)
   6. Re: Wikimedia India Chapter (Srikanth Lakshmanan)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:38:11 +0530
From: CherianTinu Abraham <tinucher...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WikiMeetup - Bangalore -12
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Since there was no consensus, we are keeping the date as same on march 12
Please try to come.

Regards
Tinu Cherian

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 2:44 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
<tinucher...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Based on the request, I have created a poll at *
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Meetup/Bangalore/Bangalore12*for 
> both the dates.
> *Please vote before march 8th *so that the logistics and other stuff can
> be planned.
>
> Regards
> Tinu Cherian
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan <srik....@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> +1.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Shiju Alex <shijualexonl...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Bangalore/Bangalore12
>>>
>>> I suggest to reschedule this wiki meetup to* March 21*. The reason is, a
>>> long weekend is coming during the March second week since 
>>> Ugadi<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugadi>is falling on March 16 (Tuesday).
>>>
>>> Many Wikians might travel to their home town during that time.
>>>
>>>
>>> Shiju
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:14:41 +0530
From: CherianTinu Abraham <tinucher...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WikiMeetup - Bangalore -12
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Oops. The correct date is* March 14th, Sunday. *

Sorry for the confusion.

Thanks Anirudh for pointing it out.

Regards
Tinu Cherian

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:03 PM, anirudhsbh (wiki)  wrote:

> 10:03 PM anirudhsbh: Hi Tinu. Did you mean that the meet up would be on
> March 14, or March 12 (that is, tomorrow)?
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:26:05 +0530
From: "Kiruba @ Kiruba.com" <kir...@kiruba.com>
Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Clarification, Apology and Plans.
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Hello team,

Its great to see that there has been some concrete efforts to establish the
Indian Chapter of Wikimedia Foundation.  After many years of repeated
efforts, its good to see that we are close to fruitition.  There is a strong
team with diverse background and rich involvement in Wikipedia working on
this.  While I was initially part of this effort, I'm no longer involved
with the formation of the foundation. There are times I overran myself in
the assumption that Foundation formation time could happen sooner and
assumed I'd be part of the board and hence a Director (designate) without
realizing the really long gestation period it takes to set up the foudation
or the confusion it would cause. In this regard, I apologise to the entire
Wikipedia India community.

I will continue to be associated with helping out with Wikipedia outreach
and the concept of Open Knowledge on a personal level. This year, I'll help
in organizing Creative Commons Salon (bringing in artists who believe in
open creativity), Wikipedia Academy ( to teach people who interested in
contributing but dont know how) and WikiCamp (an unconference that will aim
to tap into the concept of collective wisdom using wikis, and not just
Wikipedia).  I recently published a book 'Wikipedia : A beginners' Guide'
which is completely on a CC license. I seek help in translating this into
mulitple Indian languages and freely distribute this to school libraries in
towns and villages. Any help in this regard would be highly welcome.  All
these activies are done as a volunteer without assuming any formal positions
and look forward to contributing actively.  I can be reached at 98415 97744
and at kir...@kiruba.com.  Thanks in advance.

-- 
Regards,

Kiruba Shankar
Cell: +91-0-98415 97744
Email: kir...@kiruba.com
Personal Blog: http://Kiruba.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/kiruba
Linkedin: http://linkedin.com/in/kiruba
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Message: 4
Date: 12 Mar 2010 07:17:04 -0000
From: "Shahid Akhtar" <mohd.shahid_akh...@rediffmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India Chapter
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On

 Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Praveen 
Prakash&nbsp;&lt;me.prav...@gmail.com&gt;&nbsp;wrote:
K. Then who is Kiruba Shankar?&nbsp; What

 was the election process &amp; criteria? How many people involved in 

that? Why all these process were hidden? Why even Hindi not informed?

 


This is what I'm wondering about too! I think this process should be more 
inclusive and transparent!

Who decided the list of founding members (Signatories) mentioned on this page 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_India/MoA#WIKIMEDIA_INDIA? And how was 
this list decided? How come Gautam K John (who is self-admittedly not involved 
with Wikipedia) was invited to be a founding member, but someone like 
User:Bhadani was not?

Why is some like HPN who has not made even 100 edits in 2009 and 2010 to

 English, 

Kannada and Sanskrit Wikipedias combined together is at the forefront of

 this initiative, but some of the most important contributors from Indic

 wikipedias are not even a part of this?

I'm all for a Wikimedia India chapter, but it should be a group of 

all the people who are actually part of the Wikipedia community! It should not 

be a bunch of politicians that want to be face of Wikipedia to the Indian media 
without having made any substantial contributions to Wikipedia.

Wikimedia India will receive thousands of rupees in donations. We need trusted 
people who are representative of the pan-India Wikipedia community to handle it.



If this is a group of people who are meeting in Bangalore for wining and 
dining, this should be named "Wikimedia Bangalore" chapter, not "Wikipedia 
INDIA" chapter!

Best regards
Shahid
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:04:20 +0530
From: Gautam John <gau...@prathambooks.org>
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India Chapter
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Hello Shahid and Praveen:

> Who decided the list of founding members (Signatories) mentioned on this page 
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_India/MoA#WIKIMEDIA_INDIA? And how 
> was this list decided? How come Gautam K John (who is self-admittedly not 
> involved with Wikipedia) was invited to be a founding member, but someone 
> like User:Bhadani was not?

It's a fair point you raise. The group arose out of those who had
shown a previous communicated interest in being part of a local
chapter formation. It wasn't a secretly selected group but one that
came together basis a common and communicated cause. As for me, yes, I
am not a Wikipedian and I accept that criticism. However, if I may
make a point. An organization needs representation not just from
within its own community but also from those outside who share the
vision and the philosophy.

> I'm all for a Wikimedia India chapter, but it should be a group of all the 
> people who are actually part of the Wikipedia community! It should not be a 
> bunch of politicians that want to be face of Wikipedia to the Indian media 
> without having made any substantial contributions to Wikipedia.

Would you say that of everyone who has been so kind as to spare
immense amounts of time and put in much effort to get it to this
stage?

> Wikimedia India will receive thousands of rupees in donations. We need 
> trusted people who are representative of the pan-India Wikipedia community to 
> handle it.

Yes. It will. Which is why we need you and everyone else in the
community to hold the organization accountable.

There have been previous efforts at getting this organization started
- the need of the hour was getting it up and running. I think it'd be
great if we could do that.

Thank you.

Best,

Gautam
________
http://social.prathambooks.org/



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:20:02 +0530
From: Srikanth Lakshmanan <srik....@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India Chapter
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On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Shahid Akhtar <
mohd.shahid_akh...@rediffmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Praveen Prakash <me.prav...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> K. Then who is Kiruba Shankar?  What was the election process & criteria?
>> How many people involved in that? Why all these process were hidden? Why
>> even Hindi not informed?
>>
>
> This is what I'm wondering about too! I think this process should be more
> inclusive and transparent!
>
> I'm all for a Wikimedia India chapter, but it should be a group of all the
> people who are actually part of the Wikipedia community! It should not be a
> bunch of politicians that want to be face of Wikipedia to the Indian media
> without having made any substantial contributions to Wikipedia.
>
> Wikimedia India will receive thousands of rupees in donations. We need
> trusted people who are representative of the pan-India Wikipedia community
> to handle it.
>
> If this is a group of people who are meeting in Bangalore for wining and
> dining, this should be named "Wikimedia Bangalore" chapter, not "Wikipedia
> INDIA" chapter!
>

*My Few paisas.*

As to my understanding after reading the MoA, there are no special
privileges to founding members apart from not requiring to "apply for
membership".[Authors can clarify if my understanding is not right] I suppose
there would be an election after the formation and only the elected persons
will have additional privileges than a normal member. So in that sense, who
starts it really doesn't matter.

I dont know why people are cribbing its secret / closed group when meta was
up all the while. Did anyone make a point to edit any of the meta pages and
was it left undiscussed / discarded? No one stopped anyone from doing that.

Trust is not measured in terms of edit count.Showing up on the day and
commitment in real world is also required and I guess the people who signed
the MoA did that. I agree with pan-India comment but again elections would
happen I guess and as i already mentioned "founding members" dont get any
extra privileges. Probably some clause can be added to include regional /
linugual EC members.I would add that right away to discussion page.

Sorry i take the wine and dine comment too seriously.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:MBL
is not about wine and dine. Please go through the pages to see what was
going on the meetings.

-- 
Regards
Srikanth.L
http://j.mp/SrikanthL
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