Dear Nikhil (& et all), Request to NOT take it personally. Whatever you are doing is a great initiative and really appreciable. But these comments are not to undermine your efforts. Srikanth's reply should completely explain why Shiju was trying to make a point and IMHO, they are valid ones. These best practices are based on previous experiences and not any knee jerk comments ( Sorry, No pun intended). Please note that even this is the practice for http://schools-wikipedia.org/ project for English wiki , supplied to schools of "more liberalized" countries. The question is neither about the format of this information provided nor about the number of articles. 500 ? 2500? 25000? Ship it on a CD, thumb drive, DVD or even Blueray discs or any other medium ..Any number of articles is accepted, provided we are able to provide them quality content. I can personally vouch that more than half the content on our Wikipedia is crap. Yes I mean it. And but the reason we are all here is to convert them this crap to more useful stuff.
Regards Tinu Cherian On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan <srik....@gmail.com>wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 00:50, Nikhil Sheth <nikhil...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I had a great time reading the blogpost. Very amusing. But had to clarify >> some things before we all pick up our pitch-forks and torches, so.. >> >> >> http://nikhilsheth.blogspot.com/2011/03/clarification-about-wfsoe-and-english.html > > > I think you took it a bit personal. Shiju's blogpost IMHO is a good guide > especially for Indian languages CD creation project. Giving ZIM format dumps > has some adverse effects which was what Shiju tried to share as a best > practice. I think they are valid concerns. Let me explain. > > I think he clearly mentioned about the http://schools-wikipedia.org/ project > for English wiki and there is no problem in such approaches. I think the > blog post was mainly addressing the impact of giving whole dumps of Indian > language wikipedia's, all [except English(Yes, English is also an Indian > langugage)] of which are in their early stages. > > Sometime back i proposed a similar CD creation project on tamil wikipedia > and thought given that Santhosh's software is available, we could get a CD > in couple of month's time. My timeline was rightfully mocked at by the > community, with valid concerns on quality and we have just started > collecting articles, which will then be peer reviewed, copy edited etc > before we could use the software and create a CD. Along with Shiju's points, > I am sharing some important viewpoints(which i learnt from tamil community), > why i think the whole exercise of fact checking and releasing is very > important instead of just dumping them in the case of Indian language > wikipedia's. > > ** Who had checked the validity of the content provided in the CD? Once the > CD is created, the content is frozen for ever. We never know in what ways > the content in CD is going to get duplicated. > > >>This is very important. Imagine students using it to write answers for > exams using this and if there is a factual error and teacher fails to give > marks, the students will never ever turn back to Wikipedia again.We are > loosing young buds here. While you might say Wikipedia is not reliable for > information source, but you can use it, for a school kid, its always > binary.Indian language wikipedia's are bound to have more spelling > mistakes(since most of us use a non native keyboard / translation and we are > human), the error rate will be even higher. Its not just about schools, > anyone who is find such errors in a published form(CD is a published form > you cant change) will find it annoying and may arrive at a prejudice which > we wouldnt want. > > **How we are going to handle the copyright violation of text and images > included in the CD? Can we always point our fingers to WMF? > > >> This is very serious issue, its a different thing that we as individuals > might not respect copyright because of the climate in India, but as a > project Wikipedia holds copyright as one of the 5 pillars(Do I need to tell > this list about this, sorry *runs away* :D). > > **Who will answer the queries related to the explicit images contained in > many articles. The inclusion of explicit images, controversial articles, and > factual errors in the CD supplied to the school children are not small > issues. > > >> Not many know, Shiju may be sharing this because malayalam community > actually burnt their fingers here. There was a (politically motivated?) > article in leading malayalam daily/magazine criticizing the effort > regarding inclusion criteria / some factual erroneous information.This may > not have been shared widely to avoid multiplication of negative publicity. > While at personal level it hurts the people who worked hard for this after > spending weeks for the project, at project level it creates a negative > publicity / impact for language wikipedia which none of us would want. > > >> On the content side as well, Indian wikipedia's arent that great(barring > few). The Stub ratio may be high which will give a wrong impression of > language wikipedia's to people using the offline ZIM dumps that language > wikipedia's will only have templated content stubs. While its good to have > stubs online, since they help in improvement of articles, i dont fancy stubs > on an offline wikipedia. > > >> While giving ZIM format dumps might be useful for people without > connectivity, IMHO its definitely not suitable for mass consumption without > a bunch of disclaimers (which might not even be understood by well educated) > > >> While the intentions may be good, that shouldnt cause a negative impact > to the language wikipedia is the bottom line.I hope you understand.(This was > probably missing in Shiju's blog post which made you think it was a pointing > fingers, but I am sure Shiju's intention was to share his "bottom line") > > Regards > Srikanth.L > http://srik.me > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindiaemail@example.com > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >
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