By officially lobbying to release such data with the census board and
Goverment PRDs to the public domain.

-Tinu Cherian


On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Naveen Francis <navee...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Tinu,
>
> How can chapter help in this ?
>
> Thanks,
> Naveen Francis
>
>
> On 8 June 2011 16:25, CherianTinu Abraham <tinucher...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Even I have tried to reach them on all these fronts and didn't work !
>>
>> If the India chapter wants to help us on this, there is nothing more to
>> make a few like us very happy ! :)
>>
>> Regards
>> Tinu Cherian
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Naveen Francis <navee...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I have send a mail to them; as always no reply from them.
>>>
>>> Posted the same request on the wall of Census2011
>>>
>>> http://www.facebook.com/Census2011
>>>
>>> If you have fb account try to convey the same message on facebook wall;
>>> then they will notice and respond back if we are lucky.
>>> It has worked for few sites .
>>>
>>> till then let us use this pdf as the base.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Naveen Francis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 June 2011 14:54, Gautam John <gau...@prathambooks.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ravi:
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I am all for Fair Dealing/Use activism but the problem has
>>>> been with the folk on Commons, no? That they keep deleting stuff?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Gautam
>>>> ________
>>>> http://social.prathambooks.org/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 June 2011 14:51, Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometime before, we used the word meanings from a technical glossary
>>>>> provided by Tamil Virtual University for the Tamil Wiktionary project. Our
>>>>> rational is that only the presentation can be copyrighted and not the word
>>>>> or meaning. If the word or meaning itself is copyrighted, then there is no
>>>>> point in providing that word itself. Two years later after this 
>>>>> initiative,
>>>>> we got the glossary donated to us formally. So, the copyright issue 
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> arise any more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most Governments and public institutions do mean to provide data for
>>>>> public use though they are not aware of Wikipedia compatible license. We 
>>>>> can
>>>>> try contacting them and hope to get a favourable response. But, the legal
>>>>> and bureaucratic hurdles need not stop us from delaying our initiatives 
>>>>> for
>>>>> too long. While I do understand the legal and philosophical significance 
>>>>> of
>>>>> proper license to publish things, sometimes we also need to be bold and 
>>>>> use
>>>>> things for larger good. Governments have many other jobs than suing us
>>>>> everyday !
>>>>>
>>>>> Ravi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Gautam John 
>>>>> <gau...@prathambooks.org>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Vickram, in my opinion and that of a friend, asking for a voluntary
>>>>>> license (18,19,30A) along with the fact that it is a transformative
>>>>>> use is probably the best bet. If not, fair dealing but that does leave
>>>>>> us open to a legal challenge. Aside from this, there is the issue that
>>>>>> even if we did get a license, we then do not have the ability to
>>>>>> re-license it out under a CC-BY-SA license as required by Wikipedia
>>>>>> and that would also run afoul of the fair dealing clause.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gautam
>>>>>> ________
>>>>>> http://social.prathambooks.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8 June 2011 05:17, Vickram Crishna <vvcris...@radiophony.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Gautam John <
>>>>>> gau...@prathambooks.org> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On 8 June 2011 01:03, Vickram Crishna <vvcris...@radiophony.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> My reading is that the Census Authority is very much a part of
>>>>>> >> government. A question that I have been thinking about is whether
>>>>>> >> census data (in the raw form and not the presentation) is capable
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> >> being copyrighted.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Aside from the supposition that the raw data is not in fact
>>>>>> copyrightable in
>>>>>> > the first place, which is probably true, even if never tested, the
>>>>>> law
>>>>>> > clearly provides for grant of permission for data to be represented
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> > another form, such as sound or visual forms. It seems clear that the
>>>>>> > provisions of copyright (the sections are too tediously long and
>>>>>> legally
>>>>>> > worded to reproduce here) are precisely applicable only to the form
>>>>>> in which
>>>>>> > the information is presented by the author(s). Moreover, if the
>>>>>> presentation
>>>>>> > of census data as published by the CA is in fact taken to be a
>>>>>> design form
>>>>>> > as defined by the Design Act 1911 (but to be frank I haven't looked
>>>>>> at what
>>>>>> > that creature is), then the copyright ceases as soon as 50 copies
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> > circulated, which has obviously already happened if the data is
>>>>>> online.
>>>>>> > I believe that mapped data represents precisely such alternate
>>>>>> forms,
>>>>>> > especially if it is dynamically presented (but even if it is not).
>>>>>> Making it
>>>>>> > dynamic is of course a highly useful form, one that I do not believe
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> > census authority has yet conceived. The census authority cannot
>>>>>> refuse
>>>>>> > permission for such presentation. If they do not publish the
>>>>>> information as
>>>>>> > is planned by our colleagues, then their copyright effectively
>>>>>> lapses in any
>>>>>> > case, for which proof an advertisement saying that (ie that no
>>>>>> mapped data
>>>>>> > as has been proposed has been published) must be published in a
>>>>>> popular
>>>>>> > newspaper (in English newspaper, for English language mapping,
>>>>>> vernacular
>>>>>> > for vernacular mapping). Unfortunately, it says nothing (that I can
>>>>>> find)
>>>>>> > about a public announcement on the Net, so maybe this advertisement
>>>>>> stuff in
>>>>>> > newspapers is the only path.
>>>>>> > It seems that one must apply in the prescribed form for licensing
>>>>>> > permission, but also note that it is not possible to refuse
>>>>>> permission for
>>>>>> > such applications, if the end use is scientific research or
>>>>>> educational, and
>>>>>> > also for non-commercial purposes, provided the end use is in the
>>>>>> form of a
>>>>>> > translation. However, this permission is only automatic after 3 and
>>>>>> 7 years
>>>>>> > (subject to relevant conditions) from the date of first publication.
>>>>>> Even
>>>>>> > here, I put it that the date of first publication is the date when
>>>>>> the first
>>>>>> > Census was published, and not the current census. I think that would
>>>>>> take it
>>>>>> > back to the early 20th century, and perhaps that might also mean
>>>>>> that the
>>>>>> > government does not (heh, heh) in fact have the right to exclusive
>>>>>> copyright
>>>>>> > of census data (even for the 'upgraded' 60 year copyright).
>>>>>> > The relevant clauses are:
>>>>>> > 1. Specificity: Sec 14
>>>>>> > 2. Design: Sec 15(2)
>>>>>> > 3. Government ownership: Sec 17(d) and (dd)
>>>>>> > 4. Compulsory licensing: Sec 31 (note that the RoC may assign some
>>>>>> copyright
>>>>>> > fee payable to the government, but prima facie it is unlikely they
>>>>>> will do
>>>>>> > so in this case)
>>>>>> > 5. Automatic permission for translations etc: Sec 32 (sec 5(b)
>>>>>> specifically
>>>>>> > provides for 'broadcasting')
>>>>>> > 6. Automatic permission for technical stuff: Sec 32A
>>>>>> > 7. Right to broadcast: Sec 37 (worth checking!)
>>>>>> > 8. Automatic visual recording for teaching: Sec 39
>>>>>> > 9. Possible challenge to government copyright of census data: Sec 44
>>>>>> > (register of copyrights: quite possible that the census information
>>>>>> has not
>>>>>> > been registered under the Act, and if so makes it impossible for the
>>>>>> > government to take action against any form of infringement - sec 50A
>>>>>> > provides for publication of registrations in the Gazette)
>>>>>> > 10. Fair use: Sec 52 a(i) etc
>>>>>> > --
>>>>>> > Vickram
>>>>>> > Fool On The Hill
>>>>>> >
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