Shiju, Does that make any of these two of my photographs on the commons illegal? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BETL-BMIC-Hosur-_Road-Junction.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Garden-City-Skyway-Bridge-KRPuram.jpg Also, does the government differentiate between Photography and Videography? --Regards, Srikanth.
On 17 June 2011 21:12, Shiju Alex <shijualexonl...@gmail.com> wrote: > A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you >> from photographing it. >> > > That is our assumption. Just like that we assume that all Indian/State > Government websites are in public domain since ours is a democractic nation. > But in reality that is not true. Government is imposing restrictions on > various things through copyright law. Refer to the earlier > mails/clarifications sent by Gautham. > > See the below site which lists some restrictions regarding photographing > Indian Railway assets. > > http://www.irfca.org/~shankie/irphotography/irphotography.htm > > From there: > > THE OFFICIAL VERSION: > > India, it would appear, suffers from a persecution complex. Several places > are considered restricted in India. These include bridges, railroad yards, > railway premises, sheds, workshops, stations and tunnels. These are supposed > to be of military importance. Officials are very skittish about the whole > thing, and many of them tend to go overboard in trying to enforce these > restrictions. Its against the law to take a photograph of a train at the > station, yet, you can walk a few metres away, just outside the station > limits, and shoot freely from there. Or from the overbridge just before the > station. Or from the lineside in open country. Which is why we railfans call > these 'idiot restrictions'. But thats another story. > > Hence officially, if you are planning on doing some really serious and > extensive railroad photography in India, it is absolutely essential for you > to apply for and acquire a permit. You will need to write to: > > The Joint Director of Public Relations, Railway Board, Rail Bhavan, New > Delhi-110001, India. > > As far as I know, most of the railway related restrictions are imposed by > Indian railways, not by Central Government. But I couldn't find an official > document related to this. > > Now Railway police/authorities are trying to impose this > official/unofficial policy/law through various means. > > > Shiju > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < > rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Shiju, what problem can railways have? >> A station is public property and hence nobody should be able to stop you >> from photographing it. It isn't covered under the Official Secrets Act, is >> it? Besides, if there was a problem, then a HUGE bunch of photographs from >> the Commons shouldn't exist. If it were illegal, how come so many films are >> shot in stations and trains? >> If anybody wants, I can get a sample clip of a road, which can be applied >> to rail as well. >> --Regards, >> >> >> >> On 17 June 2011 17:48, Pradeep Mohandas <pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> hi, >>> >>> I think since what we want to do is videotape a railway route, the >>> driver's bogey is more suited to this. I would want to film during day >>> time only under good visibility conditions, where possible. >>> >>> I think we could give the CC-BY-SA license to the Indian Railways. >>> >>> I do not think there'll be too many people to worry about unlike >>> Google Street View. >>> >>> Another interesting project could be trying to film rivers from source >>> to where it meets the sea. >>> >>> It'll also be a way to map a few things. >>> >>> Great points! Never thought this could be such an interesting >>> discussion. Flipcams are great too! >>> >>> Pradeep >>> >>> On 17/06/2011, Vickram Crishna <vvcris...@radiophony.com> wrote: >>> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Pradeep Mohandas < >>> > pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >> hi, >>> >> >>> >> I understand. But the question is that of access to the driver/guard >>> >> bogey. >>> >> We can either be there or not be there at all. Another issue is that >>> we >>> >> can >>> >> use the video during daytime only. >>> >> >>> >> It's an interesting logistical exercise along with having a "free" >>> video >>> >> tape of all of that length of railway line. >>> >> >>> > >>> > Quite apart from the permission of the Railway authorities, please be >>> aware >>> > that we, all of us, have a responsibility not to inadvertently record >>> anyone >>> > without their express permission. This may not be expressed explicitly >>> in >>> > legal terms in India, hence may not cross the line being drawn by the >>> > Creative Commons partners, but is nevertheless an important distinction >>> to >>> > be recognised whilst undertaking anything as incredibly scaled up as >>> this. >>> > It could be done, in practical terms, by editing all the footage and >>> > blurring all faces, mostly automatically. >>> > >>> > For those who think perhaps this is a sort of googly, please do some >>> reading >>> > on Google Street View, and the judgments of the European Court, aside >>> from >>> > individual countries such as UK and Germany, just for perspective. >>> > >>> > I am totally in favour of this project being done, by the way. If >>> enough >>> > people can be found across the country who have time and access to >>> Flips, I >>> > doubt it would be very difficult to carry out, provided the Railways is >>> > willing (and it is not illegal) to allow people in the Guard Bogies. I >>> have >>> > seen Flip night recordings, by the way, and do not think this is a >>> major >>> > impediment either. >>> > >>> > With care (for individuals/faces), I think it might even be possible to >>> do >>> > on some city suburban rail lines. It may not require any permissions, >>> if it >>> > is done from passenger carriages. But doing it from the motorman's >>> viewpoint >>> > (definitely needs permission) could create some totally fascinating >>> footage. >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Vickram >>> > Fool On The Hill <http://communicall.wordpress.com> >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindiaemail@example.com >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> ME. >> Wear a Lungi, Support the Movement >> My infrastructure invasion... plus other images >> too.. on Wikimedia Commons. http://bit.ly/d50SIq >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindiafirstname.lastname@example.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindiaemail@example.com > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > -- Regards, ME. Wear a Lungi, Support the Movement My infrastructure invasion... plus other images too.. on Wikimedia Commons. http://bit.ly/d50SIq I got a FLIP!!! I got a FLIP!!! I got a FLIP!!! I got a FLIP!!! I got a FLIP!!!
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