My two cents worth

*On Arthapedia
*

   - Attempting to use wikis is a commendable effort on the part of
   government officers. Lack of competence shouldn't be confused for  poor
   intentions.
   - The site does mention any license (copyleft/right) at all. They have
   clear contact details of some officers so I am bringing it to their
   attention. Lets see if they respond.
   - I will suggest to them that the Wikimedia community may be able to
   offer a training session in Delhi. Possibility of experts (ala GLAM) editing
   Wikipedia is a good thing.

*On Wikipedia vs Wiki*


   - Increasingly, and especially in India, all wiki sites will be termed as
   'Wikipedia-like' sites by the media even though they may differ entirely in
   their modus operandi (licensing, content, etc). The community needs to take
   a call whether they want to keep emphasizing on how Wikipedia is different
   or let the lines blur. So for insance, should Kaushik Basu (very notable
   economist and the brain behind the site) of Arthapedia be invited as a
   speaker for WikiConference India (possibly yes if community is ok with the
   lines blurring, possibly no if they want to keep it distinct). My concern
   with the name WikiConference India was on similar lines during the voting
   for the name.
   - Irrespective of the above, the community also should have a point of
   view on whether they should have academies and such for other wiki sites run
   by particular groups (IES economists for instance). Pro - Increases the base
   of wiki editors (and in this case experts). The wiki site in question could
   extensively end up using Wikimedia Commons. Con - Spreading already very
   thin resources of the community.

Best regards,

Sohel.

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    Message: 5
    Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 11:43:25 +0530
    From: Srikanth Lakshmanan <srik....@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Arthapedia - Indian Gov Site on the
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    On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 22:20, Gautam John <gau...@prathambooks.org>
wrote:

    > Not really a Wikipedia model, what?
    >
    > Crying shame about the license.
    >
    Only valid concern is about license, but then if its about bridging the
gap
    between policymakers and general public, I feel it will be yet another
    "tam-tam" site from govt and will have no encyclopedia content. We could
    still use the content as RS since it comes from govt.


    > Wondering if the Chapter and the Office can do anything?
    >
    FYI: Arthapedia is available at arthapedia.in


    I dont think there is a room for involvement since the goals are not
even
    intersecting except that they use Mediawiki. Looking at the site, an
academy
    about how to put Wiki texts(syntax), making successful Interlinked
content
    can be given a shot, but then it will help only their project and public
    over all and may be a fraction of them editing Wikipedia. Currently they
are
    just copy pasting documents without interlinking. Some Mediawiki
    help(tips/advice) too can be given.

    --
    Regards
    Srikanth.L
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    Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 12:11:33 +0530
    From: Vickram Crishna <vvcris...@radiophony.com>
    Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Arthapedia - Indian Gov Site on the
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    On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan <srik....@gmail.com
>wrote:

    >
    >
    > On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 22:20, Gautam John <gau...@prathambooks.org>
wrote:
    >
    >> Not really a Wikipedia model, what?
    >>
    >> Crying shame about the license.
    >>
    > Only valid concern is about license, but then if its about bridging
the gap
    > between policymakers and general public, I feel it will be yet another
    > "tam-tam" site from govt and will have no encyclopedia content. We
could
    > still use the content as RS since it comes from govt.
    >
    >
    >> Wondering if the Chapter and the Office can do anything?
    >>
    >
    Perhaps the Chapter can offer to conduct training programs for
government
    servants in all states (cascading model) to upload and maintain
information
    on government procedures and processes. It could be a steady source of
    income for the Trust.

    What is also needed is information on what we might call 'ground
reality'
    processes. For instance, when the information asked for in the form etc
does
    not match the information actually needed by the officer concerned, or
at
    least claimed to be needed. For obvious reasons, such processes cannot
be
    authenticated with references to official documents, yet it is precisely
    these that are needed by ordinary applicants, who are otherwise driven
to
    the arms of pimps (ie, consultants). The arthapedia site will also
    necessarily fail in this respect, so either wikifyindia or Wikipedia
itself
    must provide a meaningful solution.


    > FYI: Arthapedia is available at arthapedia.in
    >
    >
    > I dont think there is a room for involvement since the goals are not
even
    > intersecting except that they use Mediawiki. Looking at the site, an
academy
    > about how to put Wiki texts(syntax), making successful Interlinked
content
    > can be given a shot, but then it will help only their project and
public
    > over all and may be a fraction of them editing Wikipedia. Currently
they are
    > just copy pasting documents without interlinking. Some Mediawiki
    > help(tips/advice) too can be given.
    >
    > --
    > Regards
    > Srikanth.L
    >
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