Hisham Thank you for taking this seriously and for the prompt action . This had the potential to become a serious PR disaster for India in general and thankfully the actions taken seem to have stemmed the copyvio issues for now.
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Theo10011 <de10...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Gautum > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Gautam John <gau...@prathambooks.org>wrote: > >> Hi Theo: >> >> > I beg to differ Gautum. Since, it was made part of the curriculum this >> > almost constitutes as cheating. I am not sure about lofty first world >> > standards but >> >> You seem to have missed this: >> >> "Yes, it is important to explain why copyvivos are important (and from >> an academic, plagiarism point of view too) but the bigger issue if >> intellectual honesty." >> > > Copyright violations aren't only important from an > academic plagiarism point of view but also legal and ethical, you seem to be > only focusing on text based violation in Academia maybe. Commons users and > admins spend the better part of their time educating themselves and dealing > with these violations from different countries not because of some honesty > issues but real legal ones.Violations more often than not, can lead to court > cases, damages and expose the project to liability. > I never really distinguished what Media I was referring to in regards of > Copyright violation, in case of Video and Music, you might want to read > different variation of DMCA, along with the take-down notices that WMF has > already complied with located here[1]. For images, I can attest to spending > several hundred hours talking on IRC and looking for copyright terms of > different countries to comply with. It is something people I know take very > seriously. I am not sure if "Intellectual honesty" means ethics in this > context but I would disagree if that is what WMF and other Wikipedians would > be concerned about, it's really the legal liability that they expose WMF and > projects to. Maybe Hisham can clarify. > > >> > Second, if we don't uphold the "WMF policies" (they are actually project >> > policies, not the foundation's) in an officially sanctioned and financed >> > program, then who will? >> >> Again, you are raising a straw-man here. I did not say do not respect >> copyrights. I said that the current actions were overblown. We might >> disagree on this but I do carry an activists perspective here and >> respect your position and what the WMF has to do to limit liability >> too. >> > > As I saw it, you stated that copyright violations are no big deal, > especially in India and the more important thing is being honest > (Intellectually) when someone plagiarizes or something to that effect. > Correct me if I based my assumptions wrong or if this straw-man is alive. > > If you read my comment again, I never allege that you said not to respect > copyrights. I was referring to your perception of this issue being overblown > and not as important. I also did say, these issues are more important when > it is the WMF at the helm conducting these programs. > > I am well aware of your position as a open-source book publisher and a > Creative commons hero along with someone I respect, that was why I found > your position very surprising on this issue. > > Also, Hi Hisham, Nice to see you avoided replying to my comment alone. ;) > > Theo > > [1]http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Category:DMCA > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >
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