Hi Hisham,

Can you please inform the people who are regularly editing Indian Articles
about the Online Ambassador program before closing the dates for the same ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/New_articles (only
new article alert system I know)


Thanks,
Naveen Francis

On 12 September 2011 16:52, Bala Jeyaraman <sodabot...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hisham
>
> Thank you for taking this seriously and for the prompt action . This had
> the potential to become a serious PR disaster for India in general and
> thankfully the actions taken seem to have stemmed the copyvio issues for
> now.
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Theo10011 <de10...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Gautum
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Gautam John <gau...@prathambooks.org>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Theo:
>>>
>>> > I beg to differ Gautum. Since, it was made part of the curriculum this
>>> > almost constitutes as cheating. I am not sure about lofty first world
>>> > standards but
>>>
>>> You seem to have missed this:
>>>
>>> "Yes, it is important to explain why copyvivos are important (and from
>>> an academic, plagiarism point of view too) but the bigger issue if
>>> intellectual honesty."
>>>
>>
>> Copyright violations aren't only important from an
>> academic plagiarism point of view but also legal and ethical, you seem to be
>> only focusing on text based violation in Academia maybe. Commons users and
>> admins spend the better part of their time educating themselves and dealing
>> with these violations from different countries not because of some honesty
>> issues but real legal ones.Violations more often than not, can lead to court
>> cases, damages and expose the project to liability.
>> I never really distinguished what Media I was referring to in regards of
>> Copyright violation, in case of Video and Music, you might want to read
>> different variation of DMCA, along with the take-down notices that WMF has
>> already complied with located here[1]. For images, I can attest to spending
>> several hundred hours talking on IRC and looking for copyright terms of
>> different countries to comply with. It is something people I know take very
>> seriously. I am not sure if "Intellectual honesty" means ethics in this
>> context but I would disagree if that is what WMF and other Wikipedians would
>> be concerned about, it's really the legal liability that they expose WMF and
>> projects to. Maybe Hisham can clarify.
>>
>>
>>> > Second, if we don't uphold the "WMF policies" (they are actually
>>> project
>>> > policies, not the foundation's) in an officially sanctioned and
>>> financed
>>> > program, then who will?
>>>
>>> Again, you are raising a straw-man here. I did not say do not respect
>>> copyrights. I said that the current actions were overblown. We might
>>> disagree on this but I do carry an activists perspective here and
>>> respect your position and what the WMF has to do to limit liability
>>> too.
>>>
>>
>> As I saw it, you stated that copyright violations are no big deal,
>> especially in India and the more important thing is being honest
>> (Intellectually) when someone plagiarizes or something to that effect.
>> Correct me if I based my assumptions wrong or if this straw-man is alive.
>>
>> If you read my comment again, I never allege that you said not to respect
>> copyrights. I was referring to your perception of this issue being overblown
>> and not as important. I also did say, these issues are more important when
>> it is the WMF at the helm conducting these programs.
>>
>> I am well aware of your position as a open-source book publisher and a
>> Creative commons hero along with someone I respect, that was why I found
>> your position very surprising on this issue.
>>
>> Also, Hi Hisham, Nice to see you avoided replying to my comment alone. ;)
>>
>> Theo
>>
>> [1]http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Category:DMCA
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