Dear All, 

>
>I completly agree with Ganesh. There are more than 1 Bn people in India and 
>most of them understand Devnagari either by use of Marathi, Hindi or some 
>other languages.
>
>We had raised this point many times and looks like as if the old logo is so 
>close to somebody's heart (even if it is wrong), it is not been allowed to 
>change. My concern is that this type of voting was done some weeks back when 
>the new design of logo was suggested, where is the result of that?
>
>When it clearly reveals the the old logo is Wrong and a common man reads as 
>"Vikri" and "Chikri", why not to change. Is it going to cost millions of rs. 
>to change or there is a wastage of millions dollars in this. Why the people 
>are resisting so much to change. If your own first name is been drafted 
>wrongly by someone by giving the reason of "flow of design" will you 
>accept that?
>
>Tomorrow, due to some unforeseen things, if we need to change the date or 
>venue for the wiki-conferecne, will you keep the same header and ask people to 
>find the new date and new place as it is part of logo?
>
>I also tried in my office to read the logo. 60% people read that as VIKRI and 
>40% read that as CHIKRI. No body read that correctly. The main purpose of 
>wiki-conferecne is to reach as many as people and get more & more new editors 
>and new contributors, then if the new people of not understanding it, what 
>impression they would be putting in there mind?
>
>I request all the people to think on this sensibly and change to new logo.
>With Regards,
>
>Mandar V. Kulkarni
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>>From: ganesh gajre <ganeshga...@gmail.com>
>>To: wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com
>>Cc: Pradeep <pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com>; WikiConference India 
>><wikiconference-in...@lists.wikimedia.org>; Wikipedia India Mailing List 
>><wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>; Wikipedia Mumbai Mailing List 
>><wikimedia-in-...@lists.wikimedia.org>; ramraosa...@gmail.com; Amit Dhakulkar 
>><dam...@gmail.com>; Rafikh Shaikh <rafikh...@gmail.com>; Nagarjuna G. 
>><nagar...@gnowledge.org>; sudhanwa....@gmail.com; Mandar Kulkarni 
>><mvkulkarn...@yahoo.co.uk>
>>Sent: Wednesday, 28 September 2011, 0:26
>>Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-in-mum] [WikiConference-India 2011] Vote for the 
>>Conference Logo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:42 PM, <wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>The vote has taken place and this matter is now closed.
>>>
>>>No more replies on this thread, please!
>>>
>>
>> When we talk about Wikipedia we have rights to change if it's wrong because 
>>that is the freedom given by FSF community and which carried forward by 
>>Wikipedia Community. 
>>It doesn't matter if we got vote out for new logo, and other says the old 
>>logo is best... I openly like to keep the survey...
>>
>>For test, I just run a small survey in my office only 4 people, 
>>
>>And people read it as "Chikree".
>> Is there anyone who reads Devnagari properly except those who vote for new 
>>logo? 
>>
>>If your design creates the problem to read/ Understand  it by end user then 
>>what is the use of it.
>>
>>And I don't mind to read it as " विक्री" conference...  because the way 
>>discussion going for Secretarial post, even issues of logo, even 
>>participating debate...commanding one and above,  The motto of WIKI it's get 
>>into the Sale of WIKIPEDIA, especial India Community,  but definitely don't 
>>want to read it as "चिक्री" conference.
>>
>>I am sorry, I am too harsh for this but it's the fact.  
>>I would like others to go through it once again and make the changes if 
>>possible. Run a survey wherever you work and get's the feedback I am sure 
>>everyone will say the same thing. 
>>
>>Hope the readers understand what is the meaning of freedom and right to act. 
>>
>>
>>
>>>________________________________
>>>Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:39:39 +0530
>>>From: ganeshga...@gmail.com
>>>To: pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
>>>CC: wikiconference-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; 
>>>wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; wikimedia-in-...@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-in-mum] [WikiConference-India 2011] Vote for the 
>>>Conference Logo 
>>>
>>>
>>>I guess,
>>>
>>>We are going to the wrong direction. The current logo creating problem to 
>>>understand what it means while reading it.
>>>
>>>I believe on "Simplicity is always beautiful when it can be understand by 
>>>all." The new logo is simple but can understand easily.
>>>
>>>Because we are Wikipedians and we read hindi, marathi we feel it's OK...Logo 
>>>says "WIKI" but the person who is not familiar to hindi, marathi wikipedia 
>>>he reads it as "Vikree" or "Chikree".
>>>
>>>I will suggest to keep new logo.
>>>
>>>This is suggestion and would like if other members strongly think about it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Pradeep Mohandas 
>>><pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>hi,
>>>>
>>>>I think the decision is pretty clear with a lot more people going for the 
>>>>old logo. The decision is hence to stick with the current logo.
>>>>
>>>>Just for the sake of completion:
>>>>1. Stay with the old logo = 10
>>>>2. Change to new logo = 6
>>>>3. No clear indication given = 1 (Vishal - although we could include him in 
>>>>the change to new logo bloc as well as the old logo bloc)
>>>>
>>>>Let's call this discussion closed! I am happy that several people 
>>>>participated in the process and hope we all continue to do so!
>>>>
>>>>warm regards,
>>>>Pradeep Mohandas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>-- 
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>>
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