>From Bala's words... //Online Ambassadors/mentors are not handholders and error correctors. I signed up to be an online ambassador. But stopped reading the IEP mails that were sent to me after i realised, that the IEP program essentially wanted to me to do the students' work. //
Sure. We can (OAs) guide the students & can help them in editing kindaa things. But, expecting OAs should keep an eye on the particular student's article & keep tracking them is not a good idea. And, doing it in this way is a small English Wikipedia Admin kindaa thing. Many OAs including me, are contributing & taking initiatives to develop their language projects, the OA role gives them a burden really. Because I felt it. ONLINE AMBASSADORING IS NOT REALLY ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA ADMINISTRATING ROLE. Because, I indirectly directed to that role only. I really DISLIKE that. + I am agree with the number of students. (50) Thank you. *$U®¥∩* http://goo.gl/RoMyo.com <http://FirefoxSurya.blogspot.com> http://about.me/suryaceg On 12 November 2011 19:39, Swaroop Rao <raul.swar...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 19:33, Bala Jeyaraman <sodabot...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> >>Many of us went through college recently know its not *Some*, its >> *Most*. Anything called assignment and graded will be copy-pasted even by >> the brightest 5% of students in class who would have potential to do on >> their own. >> >> +1. with Srikanth This is the SINGLE MOST important thing to remember >> for the future. Lets cut the political correctness and putting the blame >> everywhere else than where it belongs - the students and faculty involved >> >> In my four years of college, i copy pasted almost every single assignment >> given to me. I did not know it was wrong and wouldnt have cared if someone >> from outside pointed it to me. The attitude i saw from the IEP students is >> exactly the same. Unless the students are penalised for plagiarism by being >> failed in the course, they are not going to change the behaviour. And how >> many of your professors in indian education were concerned that you were >> copy pasting your assignment. (None of mine cared - i can say with >> confidence that is the same case in 99% of the cases in India now) >> >> So no amount of increasing the number of campus ambassadors, their >> training, etc would help unless there is a stick involved - How many times >> did the campus ambassadors tried to tell students not to copy paste?. How >> many of the students heeded the warning. This issue was raised in Late >> August. There were two whole months to hammer in the message and it didnt >> work out. Why? there were no serious implications for the students >> involved. There is a conversation in Srikanth's en wiki talk page, where a >> student tries to weasel out of copyvio by giving every excuse in the book - >> he did not correct his behaviour, but instead tried everything to get the >> copyvio he added approved. >> >> Those who got blocked weaseled, whined and pleaded for an unblock but in >> many of the cases reverted to the previous behaviour, when they thought >> they could get away with it. They are socking and trying to remove cleanup >> comments from the IEP page !!!!. Without a no-nonsense approach, you will >> only gets repeats of such behaviour. >> >> So here is what is to be done: >> >> 1) *Keep the number low* - The next round should have less than 50 >> students. No classwide / collegewide blanket programs. Make this a >> "interested students only" program. We have clearly demonstrated there is >> no manpower to handle anything more. We have about exhausted the goodwill >> of the en wiki community. If this repeats, you are looking at a wholesale >> blocks for the students and IP addresses. >> > That's true. The enwiki community is losing its patience really. > > >> >> 2) *Penalise those who copy paste* - either they should be failed by >> their professors. If the professors dont care, drop the program and stop >> going back to that institution. Wikipedia is a work in progress, we dont >> need plagiarism by Indian students to shore it up. We are not that >> desperate. >> > A bit harder to enforce, since academic plagiarism is practised en masse > by many professors themselves (not generalizing, just saying that the > problem goes way deeper than the students). > > >> >> 3) *The CA to student ratio has to be 5 to 1. *Anything more seems to >> non-workable. Online Ambassadors/mentors are not handholders and error >> correctors. I signed up to be an online ambassador. But stopped reading the >> IEP mails that were sent to me after i realised, that the IEP program >> essentially wanted to me to do the students' work. >> >> Go back to the drawing board. Dont start with 1000. not even a 100, start >> with a 50. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >> Swaroop Rao > > > > Steering Committee member, United States Education Program > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >
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