>>*we never got the support which was required from an OA. Honestly
speaking there was no interaction between OAs and CAs and without
that coordination chances of success are quite low. *
*My only point here is to all the OAs in this discussion is that if
Hisham/Nitika has not set the expectations right, why didn't you approached
them, then and there! Anybody can come and comment on this failure story
but even you were a part of this sinking ship.*
Oh yeah. Do everything wrong and then blame the OA. Hisham, Nitika and
apparently you are clueless what an OAs role is. I had no clue the OA role
involved going through every edit and do the student's work. IEPs mails
did not specify that the expectation about OA role was doing the student's
homework. If you had made this clear, i would have never signed up.
So get this straight - IEP had no clue what Online Ambassador's did in the
PPP. They just used the term in IEP and recruited a bunch of volunteer
editors expecting them to cleanup after the students. This is not an issue
of miscommunication, this is an issue of ignorance. The IEP didnt know what
OAs do. It imagined them to be janitors who would cleanup after the
students. (Dont believe me?, ask the other Indian guy who was an OA in
both programs - MikeLynch).
>>,* I can't recall a single instance when an Indian Administrator came
forward and found a copyvio/poor editing, etc
*Another wrong fact. An Indian admin called spacemanspiff who tried to
point Hisham and group in the right direction in early september when
things started to go wrong (it was in the talk page of Moonriddengirl,
where fluffernutter went to help with copyvios). He even designed a helpful
Q&A page which Hisham did not use. Disgusted with the IEP attitude, Spiff
quit trying to help. The whole issue could have been stopped right then and
there if the warnings of multiple editors and admins had been heeded.
And why exactly do you need "Indian" community to help?. The newbie editors
were getting plenty of help from the global community. You dont need a
specific nationality editor to come and tell the students what to do and
what not to do. A student who doesnt listen to "Do not copy paste"
instruction coming from a American editor is not going to care if the
instruction came from an Indian editor.
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Ram Shankar Yadav <
> +1 Srikanth!
> Hey Folks!
> I'm Ram and I'm one of the CA's worked closely with CoEP and SSE. I would
> like to share my views on this most discussed topic, coz the term "FAIL" is
> quite thought provoking, and now everyone has an opinion and I respect
> As a Campus Ambassador(CA) we faced the heat on ground and nobody can feel
> the pain like us when we heard the discontinuation of IEP in CoEP coz we
> gave our personal time physically and virtually in every possible way to
> make this program a success, and I promise we'll keep doing that.
> My views on IEP:
> 1. *Wikipedia India Education Program(IEP) for a CA* : The whole idea of
> this program like everyone knows is to get more editors, but we have our
> own set of challenges in the age of Facebook. What a bunch of CAs have done
> in as short span of 5 months can't be done in a couple of months by
> existing Community(local or global), coz we touched the students(1000+)
> personally, we had the experience of interactions with Faculty and
> Our only aim was to tell them(students) that Wikipedia is "cool", and
> indeed we did that! in the way we taught wikipedia to them. Few things
> which we tell our students in our Wiki Sessions:
> - Writing on Wikipedia will give you global audience, 400 million
> unique visitors
> - It will improve your Writing, Critical Thinking and Collaborative
> - It will add a bullet point to your resume and hence better placements
> - Lastly it will also give you marks if you follow the given deadlines
> Yes, I agree that we have seen setback coz of the copyvios, but I totally
> agree with Srikanth coz this was due to the scale and numbers.
> 2. *Faculty Involvement* : It is one of the weak link in IEP, though they
> knew the importance of this program, but they have their own set of
> obligations/mindset, and we always felt that not all the faculty members
> are tracking the students and their articles. We have some exemplary Profs
> who are so much involved that they reached every student's talk page and
> wrote message on it, and on the other side few never opened the course page
> Lesson for us is to enroll only those who are really interested and track
> them as well, drop the course if they are not putting effort as required,
> but this scenario was different 6 months back, coz no one knew about this
> program, and yes we did enrolled a few inactive faculty coz they showed
> interest but never lived up to the expectation.
> 3. *Online Ambassadors* : As Hisham already told that we got very late
> engagement of our OAs in this program as well as the OA expectation issue,
> we never got the support which was required from an OA. Honestly speaking
> there was no interaction between OAs and CAs and without that coordination
> chances of success are quite low.
> My only point here is to all the OAs in this discussion is that if
> Hisham/Nitika has not set the expectations right, why didn't you approached
> them, then and there! Anybody can come and comment on this failure story
> but even you were a part of this sinking ship.
> 4. *India Community* : We really missed you throughout this program, I
> can't recall a single instance when an Indian Administrator came forward
> and found a copyvio/poor editing, etc. We don't bifurcate among community
> and we never taught our students that only Indian community will help, our
> aim was to make their "collaborative" skill better instead of creating a
> division among the community.
> For my fellow Indian Wiki Community, folks we would love to hear from you
> and surely need your help and support in future.
> 5. *Global Community* : Firstly I would say "Thank you" to them for
> teaching the harsh lessons but we really liked the way you guys supported
> us. Yes, I know few folks who always crib and do the mud throwing on this
> program and it's implementation, but I know folks who have helped writing
> great articles, reviewing them and event doing copy-editing and cleaning.
> We need to surely communicate better with them in future.
> 6. *Campus Ambassadors*: The best thing that happen to me coz of IEP is I
> found great friends who share the same philosophy of free knowledge. We
> gave our personal time not only in taking session but also training new
> bunch of CAs and helping students in every possible way.
> We were the face of Wikipedia on campus and we love it!
> Like Srikanth said yes we were overloaded coz of the number of students
> per CA was very large still we did our bit to help every students by either
> reaching out personally and virtually.
> One point to note here that out of 40 selected CAs(Gen 1 & 2) only 30 are
> active and out of those 30 only 20 track/follow and reach out students, so
> in short we need more involvements for the dormant CAs.
> 7. *Students* : We found good and bad students, student I know has
> written a GA and I also know a student who in-spite of several warnings by
> phone/mail and personal visits they kept copy-paste! Between the two
> extremes there are folks who failed few times but did learned from it and
> had become great editors.
> All in all the learning here is to, assess the level of students based on
> their skill(writing especially) and their educational background(rural or
> urban). Also we need to teach them the most important thing, NOT TO COPY
> PASTE!!!, from the very first day of the wiki sessions.
> *Summary*: We are challenging the status quo by bringing a new way of
> learning and teaching things and have learned some essential lessons for
> making this program a success in future. I would personally request my
> fellow Wikipedians to keep a faith on us and support us in every possible
> way coz *"helping hands are better than praying lips"*.
> Let's make this world a better place!
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 20:15, Theo10011 <de10...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Nitika <ntan...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> I would also like to share with you all some of the good articles that
>>>> students have written.
>> Nitika, please use right terms from next time, "Good articles" mean
>> entirely different thing in Wikipedia. http://enwp.org/WP:GA
>>> Robinson Crusoe
>>> -Another redirect, 'economy' is in lower-case.
>> You got it wrong on that alone to best of my knowledge, probably you did
>> it too fast. Its probably the lone GA which got churned out of the program
>> and we could call it a lone success among several other things. Wish that
>> editor continues wiki editing.
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