Thank you for your explanation for the explanation Arjuna, but I still
have a question. What feedback are you looking for?

On 11/12/2011, Arjuna Rao Chavala <arjunar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Srikanth R,
>
> Please allow me to share my view.
>
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> parakara.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hisham, I don't understand why the Executive Committee offer to be
>> informed 48 HOURS in advance of the community. Isn't Wikipedia a
>> community based system? If the chapter or trust is everything then
>> what is the community sitting here to do? I know I sound rude, but I
>> fail to understand why some people get prior preference. Especially
>> after I spend an entire day talking to newcomers telling them that
>> everyone in Wiki is equal.
>>
>
> I am some times puzzled by assumption  that people have about   Wikipedia
> policies for individuals related to editing a wiki page online apply
> equally to real world Wikimedia organisations with accountabilties to
> various stakeholders including Government.  I am also concerned about  the
> assumed separation between community and chapter based on some recent mails
> to the India list.
>
> Let me elaborate my thoughts on this.
>
> Chapter members including EC members are part of community and serve
> Community and the movement.  It is just the level and structure of
> engagement of a person that determines whether he/she is part of  Chapter.
> If a person reads Wikipedia, he/she is member of  community. If a person
> contributes to Wikipedia, he/she is part of smaller subset of
> communitycalled editors. If a person would like to promote Wikipedia
> in real world,
> he could do as an individual or become a member of chapter,  leverage the
> benefits of the legal entity called "Wikimedia chapter", get affiliated
> with SIGs  and  contribute.
>
> Chapter IRC is open for everyone. Even membership is open for every Indian
> aged above 18. So I would request everyone to treat Chapter as a subset of
> community with more focus on growing the movement in real world.
>
> Coming to your specific question about the plan for  sharing public
> communications in advance, here is my view. As I understand, Trust is an
> independent legal entity contributing to Wikimedia movement in India. So
> the coordination calls are a mechanism to share plans and issues so that
> the overall effectiveness can be improved.  Advance notice for any public
> communication was agreed so that  each entity could provide the other
> feedback if any, if such communication were to attribute some things to the
> other or lead to confusion in the stakeholders.  It is mutual. I am sorry
> the minutes did not reflect the same, though it was discussed and agreed.
>
> Hope the above helps.  I request Hisham to share his view as well.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Arjuna Rao Chavala
> President, Wikimedia India
>
>>
>> On 06/12/2011, Hisham <his...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> > Dear All
>> >
>> > As you might be aware, we've been have a monthly call between the India
>> > Chapter and India Programs team.  Since we last updated you, we have had
>> 2
>> > calls and also a face-to-face meeting after WikiConference.  Here's an
>> > update on these meetings.
>> >
>> > I must beforehand apologize for being so late on updating you on these
>> calls
>> > / meetings.  Shall endeavor to be more on schedule going forward.
>> >
>> > Do share your feedback and comments.  Do let us know if there are any
>> > clarifications we can provide.
>> >
>> > Thursday November 9th (Voice Conference) [Arjun, Arun, Naveen, Sudhanwa,
>> > Tinu, Asaf & Hisham]
>> >
>> > India Programs Update
>> >
>> > India Trust has been set up and a formal announcement will be made
>> shortly
>> > on this matter.
>> > India Education Program has encountered significant problems with regard
>> to
>> > copy-pasted material.  While efforts have been made (including asking
>> > for
>> > help from Online Ambassadors), in-class sessions from Campus Ambassadors
>> (in
>> > almost every single class of the program), asking for intervention from
>> > faculty, asking students only to work on sandboxes, etc., the situation
>> > remained particularly serious at College of Engineering, Pune. As a
>> result,
>> > the program was suspended at this college.  It currently runs at 1 class
>> at
>> > Symbiosis School of Economics (while the other classes there have
>> concluded
>> > their assignments) and at 1 class at SNDT Women's University.
>> > Specifically, the lessons learnt on the pilot were discussed.  These
>> > included scale, choice of faculty, choice of classes, inadequate
>> engagement
>> > and communication with en-wp community, modifications to Campus
>> Ambassador
>> > training going forward, modifications to student training going forward,
>> > etc. It was pointed out that a comprehensive and honest learnings
>> exercise
>> > would be undertaken.
>> > Recruitment of additional team members (for Communications and for Team
>> > Support) have been delayed because the right candidate was not
>> > available.
>> > The initial work on the Indic Languages initiatives would start off with
>> > preliminary discussions and data analysis of the various language
>> projects.
>> > This will help to build a picture with both experience and data of the
>> > current state, challenges, opportunities and potential of the various
>> > projects.  Eventually, the objective will be to identify potential
>> > pilots
>> > and language communities that might be interested in these pilots.
>> > Chapter Update
>> >
>> > Arjun said that as Wikipedia is always evolving with contributions of
>> > community, any project needs to be carefully planned and executed to
>> > minimize the load on community. We had some experiences with Google
>> > Translate project, which received adverse reaction from wikipedian
>> > community. Even if Foundation undertakes an initiative, there is a
>> > possibility of similar adverse response. He hoped that we can use this
>> > experience to improve future project planning.
>> >
>> > Sunday November 20th (Face to Face Meeting) [Arjun, Arun, Naveen,
>> Sudhanwa,
>> > Tinu, Barry & Hisham]
>> >
>> > India Programs Update
>> >
>> > Point of View was shared about the nature of communication and
>> co-operation
>> > between the Chapter and India Programs.  It was pointed out that all the
>> > activities of India Programs have been in line with the publicly
>> available
>> > page at
>> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs.
>>  The
>> > monthly co-ordination calls that the Chapter EC had initaited and that
>> are
>> > now being regularly undertaken is useful and must be continued.  Chapter
>> EC
>> > requested prior information on activities and it was suggested by India
>> > Programs (and agreed by Chapter EC) that all important announcements
>> would
>> > be sent to the Chapter EC 48 hours before being shared publicly.
>> > The nature of the work that was happening on Indic Languages initiatives
>> was
>> > shared (including the kinds of discussions and how these discussions
>> > were
>> > being conducted) and that Shiju will shortly start sharing the updates
>> > of
>> > language discussions with the community.
>> > The learnings process of the India Education Program was shared -
>> including
>> > the fact that data gathering was going to be commenced and that the
>> > learnings would inform the next steps of the project.  Nitika will
>> shortly
>> > update the community about how these learnings were going to be
>> > gathered.
>> > It was reiterated that the plans going forward would be finalized only
>> after
>> > a thorough review of the program was conducted.
>> > It was proposed to identify potential areas where the Chapter EC and
>> India
>> > Programs would work collaboratively.
>> >
>> > Chapter Update
>> >
>> > Arjun said that it is essential to have clarity on the focus areas of
>> > WMF
>> > and identify projects where WMF and WMIN could work together. Arun
>> suggested
>> > the need for a governance framework for the various activities in India.
>> > Arjun summarized the focus of Wikimedia India on Wiki academies and
>> > Strengthening City/Language SIGs. Preliminary discussions around
>> > Regional
>> > Conferences, GLAM, Wiki loves monuments and Knowledge Kiosks are in
>> > progress.
>> > He explained how Knowledge Kiosks pilot, where visitors to public
>> libraries
>> > can access Wikipedia through tablet computers  in the language of their
>> > choice can be a great help for reaching out to the population, who can't
>> > afford computers and Internet. He suggested that it can be a good
>> > collaborative project and requested India programs support. India
>> programs
>> > could take care of program management and dealing with Library
>> organizations
>> > and vendors. Chapter would help in training library personnel and users
>> in
>> > the various pilot locations. Hisham suggested inviting fellowships for
>> such
>> > a project.  Arjun opined that  organizational help is really needed to
>> > do
>> > such projects. It is agreed to have further discussions on this topic
>> after
>> > sharing additional information.
>> > Wednesday November 23rd (Voice Conference) [Arjun, Arun, Naveen,
>> Sudhanwa &
>> > Hisham]
>> >
>> > India Programs Update
>> > Ambiguity around the two entities "India Programs" and "India Trust"
>> > were
>> > clarified.  India Programs is the team of consultants (currently,
>> > Hisham,
>> > Shiju & Nitika) who are working as consultants to WMF.  Once the funding
>> for
>> > the Wikimedia India Program Trust is sorted out (after the appropriate
>> > funding has the necessary approvals), these consultants will transition
>> to
>> > the Trust.  Until then, the Trust is an organisation that has been
>> > registered by has no funds available and therefore will not undertake
>> > any
>> > activities
>> > An update was shared the the Trust was going to be filing for the
>> necessary
>> > taxation related applications (Sections 12A and 80G) as well as FCRA
>> > Prior-Permission in the next few days.  An update will be shared after
>> these
>> > have been done.
>> > A discussion was made on the Chapter EC proposal for Chapter & India
>> > Programs to work together on the Knowledge Kiosks initiative of the
>> Chapter.
>> >  India Programs indicated their preference not to work on projects that
>> > require such intensive effort in infrastructure building (both hardware
>> and
>> > connectivity.)  It was also recommended that the Chapter carefully
>> consider
>> > their involvement in such initiatives especially given the kind of
>> > effort
>> > that will be required in stuff like procurement.
>> > It was proposed that the Chapter EC and India Programs work
>> collaboratively
>> > on at least 2 broad areas: supporting community outreach & community
>> > building (especially volunteer mobilization) as well PR & social media
>> with
>> > Chapter EC.  Both areas are aspects where India Programs can bring
>> > capability to the table and are areas of interest to members of the
>> Chapter
>> > EC.
>> > An update was shared on the meeting with the Ministry of HRD regarding
>> > potential collaboration with Aakash tablet. The meeting was extremely
>> > positive and holds potential. Hisham will be sharing an update to the
>> > community on the next steps on this after some additional discussions.
>> > It was proposed that a discussion commence that will collaboratively
>> arrive
>> > at a draft document that provide clarity to how Chapter EC and the India
>> > Trust can work together.  This will be in the nature of definition of
>> roles.
>> >
>> > Chapter Update
>> > Arjun said that with the kind of resources that the India Programs Trust
>> > will have access, it can take up challenging projects like Knowledge
>> Kiosks
>> > as it can certainly outsource stuff that can not done by Trust. It is
>> agreed
>> > to continue the discussion on this topic.
>> > Best
>> >
>> > hisham
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Sent from my mobile device
>>
>> Regards,
>> Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
>> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
>>
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Sent from my mobile device

Regards,
Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore

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