I am replying to this mail as a *Malayalam wikimedia community member*.
Fact: Subhashish, *former volunteer*, and now paid consultant with India > Programs. > What do you mean by this? I Shiju Alex is a Indic language wikipedian now close to 6 years. According to Mr. Anirudh (an EC member of India chapter) I am a former volunteer. is this is the official position of wikimedia India chapter? As a community member I require an explanation for this. Shiju Alex (An Indic language wikipedian) On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Anirudh Bhati <anirudh...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Hisham <his...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> >> Nothing is conducted solely by India Program - and hence I said >> "supported." Everything is conducted by the community - sometimes under >> the aegis of the Chapter and sometimes independently. The support that we >> have provided varies - from getting the actual event fixed up to providing >> presentation material to interested community members to participating in >> these events. >> > > Can this be clearly specified in the report? That is more helpful than > simply "supported". For instance, when you say "Supported the community > to get a venue in Guwahati University", it would help us understand more if > you could tell us how. > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:45 PM, CherianTinu Abraham < > tinucher...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Pranav, >> In India, it is extremely difficult to hairline separate who has done >> which event. - Chapter, Community and WMF India Programs. >> > > I agree it's not possible to do that, but it is entirely possible to list > out the work done in specific. This enhances our accountability and > transparency towards the community. > > >> Let us take the case of the Trichy event, the request came to a community >> member Rsrikanth to the chapter. Nitika was actively involved along with me >> and Naveen. The chapter signed the MoU and supplied some goodies. Nitika >> was actively involved in coaching Sohan, a chapter member and Rsrikanth. >> One must not also forget that both Hisham & Nitika are also chapter >> members. > > > Fact: Nitika is a paid employee of the WMF India Programs and is not a > chapter/community volunteer. > > >> >> Another event in Chennai (Jaya eng college) , where Subha led, his travel >> expenses was reimbursed by the Chapter, Subha is a Chapter SIG Chair .. The >> event is supported by Hisham & Nitika too. Subha is also an India Programs >> executive. >> > > Fact: Subhashish, former volunteer, and now paid consultant with India > Programs. > > >> >> I actively organize Bangalore Meetups and support several others .. >> Should I be worrying whether I am doing as a chapter member, board member >> or a community member? >> > > By a matter of principle, chapter and community volunteers are just... > volunteers. Paid consultants are hired to executive specific programs, and > hence the results of their work and reports should be presented with > clarity. Simply "supporting" something does not clarify the extent of > their involvement. > > >> As with Assam meetup recently, coordinated by Shiju, some of the expenses >> were met from a personal grant from the Foundation to me & Shiju. >> >> There was a recent Malayalam Wiki Academy in Bangalore organised by >> Malayalam Community. Some of them are also Chapter members. People like me >> and Naveen actively helped the event ..Are we doing as chapter board member >> or community member? We don't really know.. But we are just genuinely >> helping the movement, with worrying about what capacity we are doing it. >> > > I don't think it's a good idea to separate the chapter and the community. > The chapter is a membership-based organization and by definition an > umbrella organization which represents the community. There is no reason > for differentiation as long as it is volunteer work done by a chapter > member. > > >> >> The various academies that we do, some of the requests comes directly to >> the chapter, community or India programs, but each supporting each other in >> different capacities. >> >> Now Noopur is a GLAM Champion, Chapter member and Delhi SIG Chair and >> also part of Chapter Communications Team. She now also heads the >> Communication & PR for the India Programs. >> >> As I explained, it is difficult to separate the contributions of >> different entities or individuals for the Wikimedia movement in India. >> >> IMHO, we should be only concerned about the outcomes of the event and not >> who gets the credit. >> > > Even though the possibility of interfacing each other is high for > different entities and groups of volunteers working in India, there is a > need for differentiation and it is a question which cannot be avoided. The > volunteers who work on their pet-projects while not being associated with > any of the entities are not expected to be as accountable as (i) the > chapter which receives or may receive grants from the Wikimedia Foundation > and donations from individuals and organizations in the country AND (ii) > the WMF India Programs which is run by multiple paid consultants. > > So I don't see why we shouldn't care about differentiation, or why it may > be an undesirable thing to want to differentiate. Ultimately we all want > results, yes, but we also need to understand causality because there are > significant amount of funds involved. We need to differentiate because > there are different degrees of accountability involved both with the > chapter, the WMF India Programs and the volunteer who works with a grant. > > Hope this helps. > > _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >
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