And to add
"That is why they have two accounts and rather large disclaimers on their
user pages, demarcating this very difference".

This is only possible in virtual worlds, while editing Wikipedia or writing
mails. Not in real life work !

I cannot have one face or voice when I am acting as board member of the
chapter and another when I am helping the community. Many of us, live and
breathe Wikimedia, making it difficult to separate on which capacity each
of our action is.

You are a long time community member, you were working as Wikimedia
Foundation paid contractor for some time, does that mean all the volunteer
work you would have done before/after or during being a full time and paid
staff of Foundation cease to have any value ?

-TC



On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:14 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
<tinucher...@gmail.com>wrote:

> If it matters, if you have read the MoA or the Chapters agreement of the
> Wikimedia India Chapter or most of the chapters, the Foundation and
> Chapters are independent organizations. Wikimedia Foundation is NOT a
> parent organization of the Wikimedia India Chapter.
>
> IMHO, It would be only a conflict of interest if I am both a paid employee
> of the chapter and also a board member of the chapter as well.
>
> The bigger problem is we have lots of work to do, very very little hands
> and too many arm chair advisers. Period.
>
> -TC
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Theo10011 <de10...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:37 PM, CherianTinu Abraham <
>> tinucher...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Everyone is encouraged to volunteer for the chapter , regardless of what
>>> his or her day job is. There is nothing that prevents even a foundation
>>> staff or contractor even being the board member of the chapter , less alone
>>> any volunteer or member.  There are several Wikimedia chapters in the world
>>> who has paid and full time staff working for them. The Secretary (
>>> volunteer) of the Dutch chapter is also a Foundation Full time Contractor.
>>>
>>> Hope that clarifies
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure what you are talking about above.
>>
>> The issue with Siebrand is a conflict of interest, as far as I know, they
>> should/would have declared it to their members. Laws in several countries
>> dictate that board of non-profit can not be paid employees of their own or
>> parent organizations. Several chapter board members usually resign to take
>> up employee position. It used to be that they had to resign to take up any
>> position as staff, but contractor is a relatively new feature with
>> confusing legality, but there are still individuals who see the distinction
>> and resign or declare their conflicts upfront. Board members by definition
>> can not be paid employees, this is not my distinction but a legal one.
>> Something I believe all WIkimedia organizations should adhere to.
>>
>> I believe Ashwin explained it much better than I could. If we can
>> demarcate what role someone does something as, it would help a lot. The
>> community staff at WMF usually keep 2 accounts to demarcate this clearly,
>> on wiki.
>>
>> It might not be "practically separate whether  we does something as a
>> volunteer...." the distinction is actually quite simple. One that en.wp,
>> staff and majority of the community holds- paid vs. non-paid. What one does
>> as an employee is separate from what one does as an employee. That is why
>> they have two accounts and rather large disclaimers on their user pages,
>> demarcating this very difference.
>>
>> Regards
>> Theo
>>
>> P.S. @achal lol
>>
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