Sudhanwa, a small correction. I was not supported by IEP members in Gnunify
but those of Wikipedia Pune Club which does include some former IEP
participants but also lots of new faces and myself :).

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar

> Hi,
> Let me take the focus of discussions back to the report/s where it all
> started.
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Hisham <> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mar 7, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Pradeep Mohandas wrote:
> >
> >
> > In retrospect, I also understand the need for seperating the Foundation
> > activities as well. I think it is best to either go for total seperation
> of
> > community, chapter and Office or have general statements.
> >
> >
> > The work that India Program is doing is integrally embedded in community
> > building.  This means we work directly with interested community members
> > across the world and with the Chapter.   I don't think a total
> separation is
> > either practical or advisable.  We should obviously avoid taking the
> option
> > of "general statements" - and we need to find a suitable island in
> between.
> I was going through the report and also saw another page here:
> that gives listing of outreach sessions by IP.
> Another page by chapter also shows outreach reports. It is on the main
> page of wiki.
> IP and Chapter are having more or less similar functions. They do
> similar outreach efforts and have same people in some functions.
> Somehow, the reports from IP as well has chapter has about 9 entries
> each for outreach program and only 2 are common !!
> One of them is the now famous NITT academy and the other one is GNUnify.
> I was surprised to see only the English academy entry in GNUnify that
> was conducted by Ashwin and helped by IEP volunteers. The Marathi
> academy conducted at the same lab immediately after the lunch break is
> not mentioned at all. Also surprising was the entry where Moksh was
> involved. Possibly, it was supported by some IP person.
> General observation is that the report from IP shows the listing where
> only the IP, IEP people were involved and the chapter report mentions
> otherwise.
> This clearly means that there is a disconnect. I dont see any of the
> IEP/IP people joining the Pune community activities (except a few). In
> fact, one of the outreach session (mentioned in the report) by the IEP
> was not even mentioned on any of the lists.
> Possibly, there is some polarisation somewhere and personally I feel
> that it could be in favour of IP; simply because volunteers become
> paid activists there.
> Lets take a very much possible theoretical case(like the NITT, where
> volunteers had bad experiences) where a volunteer goes for conducting
> an academy and is not treated well and has bad facilities of
> lodging/boarding/travel etc. And for the same academy, a person from
> IP is also going and flies to/from the place and lives in a nice
> hotel. In such case, where and how to compare the voluntary work v/s
> paid staff work? The volunteer has spent his time and resouces for
> hardly anything but the staff is being paid for the same activity as
> part of the job.
> Ashwin has hinted about evaluating voluntary efforts. Is there any
> method to do it?
> Community members are same for both- chapter as well as IP. However,
> chapter is answerable to the community even when all the community
> members are not necessarily chapter members. (just a technical point.
> not to be emphasised), Whereas IP may not have any binding on anything
> and still get all kind of funds from WMF.  And also hire people from
> the community for doing the same work people were earlier doing
> voluntarily. Also remember that chapter and the community members do
> their work voluntarily and not get paid for it.
> Well, just to clarify, I am not saying that community members, IP
> staff and IEP volunteers are not doing work. They are really doing
> fantastic work and that must to be appreciated. However, all those
> efforts/work has to be taken in various perspectives mentioned in this
> thread.
> Best regards
> -Sudhanwa
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