hi Anirudh,

My reply is in-line.

On 25 March 2012 14:30, Anirudh Bhati <anirudh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Pradeep Mohandas
> <pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > A bunch of observations:
> > 1. I've never seen such scrutiny of any Wikipedian's contributions. I'm
> > disappointed also to see this scrutiny being done by only a section of
> the
> > community. I think the Indian community needs to speak up on this -
> whether
> > for or against such scrutiny even if being done under particular
> > circumstances. This must be done, in my opinion, in a way that shows the
> > scrutiny is only wrt the particular condition while still respecting the
> > editor for tAking the time and editing Wikipedia.
>
> Please be clear when making statements such as these.  What scrutiny
> are you talking about?  Stating that a recently hired communications
> consultant has close to zero experience editing Wikpedia is quite
> relevant to discussions that happen during IRC office hours, specially
> in the light of the fact that Hisham has previously stated that no
> established Wikipedians applied for work with India Programs.


Please read my statement in its entirety. It is pretty clear. I did not
think that your line of questioning was Wikipedian-like. My
suggestion/observation here was to inform the Wikipedian in question or at
least for the record, that the question was  only in relation to the WMF
Office position and not as a Wikipedian. There is the question of how you
define expertise. I have been on Wikipedia for 5 years but have still not
read many of the rules there or participated in many discussions. I just
use common sense and civility in my edits and discussions on Wikipedia and
its talk pages. So, I clearly would not meet your definition of "expert".
The number of edits or the years of experience that a person has on
Wikipedia cannot and should not define expertise. Have you questioned the
Wikipedian in question on the person's understanding of Wikipedia's rules
to state that the person does not know the ways of Wikipedia, purely based
on the fact that the person has been a Wikipedian only for 2 months. The
person may have been a Wikipedian only for 2 months but might know more
than a Wikipedian who has been editing for the last 5 years.


>
>
> Foundation employees and consultants are likely to be scrutinized more
> than regular WP'ians, because they are paid for the work they do.
> These are community funds we are talking about raised because our
> community works their ass off to produce the content that's present on
> our projects. In the discussion linked above, it is quite apparent
> that Hisham hired a newbie user even when there was a much more
> qualified candidate available.
>
Are Wikipedians scrutinised at all was my general question, above. I
support that WMF employees and consultants must be scrutinized by the
community and must be scrutinised more. They must also be scrutinised when
they are working on projects like GLAM. I thank you for taking a proactive
role on this. My only point here was that more community members must join
in to make sure that a single or a group of Wikipedians do not push POV.

>
> For now, nobody on the India Programs team has any decent experience
> editing articles on the English Wikipedia, in short, they are all
> newbies.


I would humbly disagree with you here. I have no time nor inclination to
raise evidence in support of my claim. You are entitled to your opinion on
this point, of course. But, again it is a single person's POV that this is
the case. Again, I would not take the community's silence as agreement with
this statement. If the community does agree with this statement, I would
still not, as I am entitled to.


>  And this has continued despite the community asking for
> old-hands and despite Hisham's assurances that he is looking for
> someone intimately familiar with WP processes.
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:India_Education_Program/Analysis/Independent_Report_from_Tory_Read
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:India_Education_Program/Analysis/Independent_Report_from_Tory_Read&diff=prev&oldid=473097755
>
> Is this too much to ask for?
>

I don't know.


> I must also point out that the stated selection criteria and
> responsibilities in the case of the Communications Consultant and
> Operations Consultant were altered after the candidates were
> announced.  We want expert Wikipedians and not social media
> consultants because we are looking at increasing participation on our
> projects, and not enhancing the social media experience.
>

I can only request that the Office stand by the selection criteria and
responsibilities that it lays down at the beginning of the process. Whether
the Office must disclose all the reasons for selecting a candidate over
other candidates is a sticky issue. It is not general practice to reveal
these points in public. I am not sure whether it would be responsible
practice on Wikipedia either. While I support disclosure of the reasons for
a candidate's choice, I am not sure how responsible or practical it is.

I hope this clarifies my statements adequately. If you still have doubts
please raise it over email only. I will try and get back to you asap.

warm regards,
Pradeep


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