Hi,

Both the members list and the AGM are venues open to members only. How will
the community participate in this discussion?

Not all community members are chapter members. I agree with
wheredevelsdare, though in that the nAture of the incentives will change
for Chapter. But the discussion should happen in a fora accessible to
community members.

My last and final take on this discussion isbthat both the Chapter and the
Office's plan of action must be guided by community concerns and
requirements. These discussions are also better done on wiki than on the
mAiling list.

May I propose that these discussions be done on Meta with sufficient notice
for all communities in India to participate in the same. Having separate
pages for Chapter and Office may help.

Pradeep
Handheld
On Mar 29, 2012 1:20 PM, <wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  True, but that would probably have to be slightly different as the
> chapter is volunteer driven. During the AGM we could frame what the chapter
> should be doing in the next year and review it at the next AGM. We cant
> have an incentive/penalty as everyone is a volunteer, but it will keep the
> EC on their toes if they want people to re-elect them.
>
> IMO, the chapter part of this discussion should continue on the chapter
> members list, lets focus on India Programs here - it would be great if we
> could get more views on this here to get a feel of what everyone thinks.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:28:36 +0530
> From: pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs
>
> Hi,
> I also think this idea of the community defining the framework must be
> extended to the Chapter as well.
> As long as Wikimedian organisations are not driven by what the community
> wants but sets the program themselves, there will be a disconnect.
> Pradeep
> Handheld
> On Mar 29, 2012 11:37 AM, <wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  A bigger question: On what basis did India Programs zero in on these
> topics for the pilots? Was the community asked whether this is what they
> want? I get the feeling that there is no community ownership whatsoever,
> which is what Pradeep was also talking of.
>
> On a larger scale, I suggest that the community must decide what India
> Programs should do on a macro basis with India Programs then being free to
> design pilots/programs within that macro framework. i.e., an annual plan of
> what India Programs is expected to achieve, say in the next financial year.
> Thereafter next year we must have a way of community assessment to find out
> whether the parameters set have been met or not. If they have been met
> there should be some incentive for India Programs - and if they havnt there
> must be some penalty for them, as that will spur them to meet the targets
> set by the community. I am talking of the community at large and not for
> the Chapter EC or Board or Advisors - this must be done by the community as
> a whole.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:27:46 +0530
> From: pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Pilot Designs
>
> Hi Hisham,
> Could you also provide full links as reference like how Srikanth L
> suggested to Noopur yesterday? I cannot click through inline links when
> checking mails on my Nokia phone.
> The Story Telling and Wikipatrika initiatives that you list here as pilots
> were efforts undertaken by the Chapter. Instead of doing this seperately as
> a pilot, does not collaborating with the Chapter make more sense?
> I would also suggest including in the pilot design itself ways for the
> community to feel ownership of the project so that these projects would
> continue despite the Chapter or the WMF.
> Also, a nudge to the Chapter to take more responsibility for and interest
> in the projects that (some very innovative) it undertakes.
> Pradeep
> Handheld
> On Mar 29, 2012 10:36 AM, "Hisham" <his...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks
>
> One of the aspects that India 
> Program<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program> constantly
> works on is that the the work that your 
> team<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Team> does
> for and with our community is based on clear objectives, robust design and
> relevant progress parameters.
>
> India Program has / is / will be undertaking a series of pilots. Pilots by
> nature indicate that we try innovative things out sometimes, and we may or
> may not always suceed.  We must be bold and try them out - but we must also
> carefully build these pilots out and measure progress.  On the main India
> Program meta page, I've created a tab that links to a new sub-page called 
> Pilot
> Designs <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs> -
> where I have published 3 of these pilot designs.  More will follow as they
> are ready, or as we undertake new work, so do add the page to your
> watchlists.
>
>    - Basic Community 
> Building<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Basic_Community_Building>
>  is
>    the work that Shiju is doing with small Indic communities - in this case,
>    Assamese.  It will show what steps can be taken to build such communities -
>    from communication to collaboration to outreach.  This work is especially
>    relevant to small Indic communities - but there are pointers even for
>    larger communities (including English.)
>    - Story-telling for Community 
> Building<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Storytelling>
>  is
>    the work that Noopur just announced (and as illustrated by the profile on
>    Netha) - where we want to celebrate the diversity and magic in our
>    community.
>    - Supporting Community Communications Initiatives (Wikipatrika) for
>    Community 
> Building<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Pilot_Designs/Wikipatrika>
>  is
>    the initiative just announced by Noopur to support our community's
>    newsletter, Wikipatrika.  The attempt is to see how Wikipatrika can become
>    more participative, richer in content and more regular in publication.
>
> Do go through these.  Do also add your comments on the respective talk
> pages.
>
> The constant endeavor of all the work that we do is to help community
> members who want to take up the various initiatives that we are piloting
> (with them or with other community members.)  Do go through these pilot
> designs and if you are interested in getting involved, or if you need
> clarification, or if you want support - please feel free to ask for it on
> the talk pages or offlist to any of us.
>
> Best
>
> *hisham*
>
>
>
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