Whatever has happened, do we have any other editor who is somewhat experienced 
and willing to take the responsibility of the coordinator of the weekly 
collaboration? 

There is not many nominations in the page. Although "The Special User" could be 
a good coordinator, apparently he is taking a wiki break. And the other 
candidate, Kruttika, I feel does not have enough experience in en.wikipedia.

Anyone else interested?

Regards, 

Dwaipayan Chakraborti

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>      co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM (Vikram Vincent)
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>      co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM (Pratik Lahoti)
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>      co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM (Ravishankar)
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>      co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM (Ravishankar)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 20:29:36 +0530
> From: Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia India Community list
>    <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the
>    post of volunteer co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM
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> Hi Hari, Arun, Pratik, Srikanth, Karthik,
> 
> Similar to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INCOTM/ project, we
> run a project in Tamil Wikipedia called Colloboration of the Week. I was
> co-ordinating it for few months. When I got busy, I intentionally let it
> unupdated for a week  to see it picked up by another Wikipedian. He was
> also the guy most involved in this project from the beginning. I asked him
> if he is willing to take the responsibility and he said yes. That's it. I
> have seen many such smooth handovers for various jobs done in our Wikipedia.
> 
> In this context, I was surprised why Pratik calls this a "post" and had to
> send a "resignation note" to the larger mailing list and open "nominations"
> for successors. May be it is En Wiki practice but I found this too
> complicated for a simple situation.
> 
> If one cannot find a suitable coordinator from the members of the project
> listed at
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INCOTM/Members
> 
> I wonder how a newcomer to the project will be fit to coordinate it.
> 
> This is a regular Wikipedia activity which is best managed within talk
> pages and project noticeboards. This isn't a photo walk or a Wiki workshop
> to hope if more people can join us through mailing lists. Even if you go by
> that logic, if every regional Wikipedia starts mailing this list for
> coordinating on wiki tasks, then it will be total mess.
> 
> I respect every one's opinion that mails like these are within the scope of
> this list. If I continue to find such mails, I will simply unsubscribe :)
> 
> Ravi
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> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 20:53:30 +0530
> From: Vikram Vincent <vincentvik...@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the
>    post of volunteer co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM
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> Hi,
> 
> On 28 September 2012 20:29, Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I respect every one's opinion that mails like these are within the scope of
>> this list. If I continue to find such mails, I will simply unsubscribe :)
> 
> Several communities which function online use the mailing list as the
> primary source of communication and coordination. Ideally, the Wiki
> talk/coordination pages could/should be used for such activities but
> the downside is that a person has to be subscribed to individual page
> updates to be able to know that some discrete activity has happened
> and this is feasible for only expert wiki contributors and I am not
> sure if we are yet at that ideal level of expertise.
> Further, Wikipedia works on the community model and as you have
> acknowledged most wikipedians on this list are not averse to such
> mails.  There is also a delete option in our email clients which allow
> us to delete mails which we do not want to read.  I hope you can
> appreciate this and take a decision which is best suited for your
> interests.
> Thank you for your patience.
> With warm wishes,
> Vikram Vincent
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 20:54:23 +0530
> From: Pratik Lahoti <pr4tiklah...@gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia India Community list
>    <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the
>    post of volunteer co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Hi Ravishankar,
> 
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Hari, Arun, Pratik, Srikanth, Karthik,
>> 
>> Similar to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INCOTM/ project, we
>> run a project in Tamil Wikipedia called Colloboration of the Week. I was
>> co-ordinating it for few months. When I got busy, I intentionally let it
>> unupdated for a week  to see it picked up by another Wikipedian. He was
>> also the guy most involved in this project from the beginning. I asked him
>> if he is willing to take the responsibility and he said yes. That's it. I
>> have seen many such smooth handovers for various jobs done in our Wikipedia.
>> 
>> 
> I'm not much aware of how the project in Tamil Wikipedia functions. Well,
> INCOTM on en.wiki is something huge. The reason I sent out this mail on
> this mailing list (after getting approval from Ashwin Baindur) was to
> inform the larger community. I feel sad to repeat the same thing again and
> again. Also, my method of working is different from yours. I feel that I
> should not just "handover", but ask everyone if they wish to apply for the
> post. If yes, let the people who are participating in the COTM's vote for
> them. This is how I work and will continue to work in the future, seeking
> everyone's opinion.
> 
> I could have easily called up any of my friends and they would have agreed.
> But someone might be interested as well and would feel bad later on not
> even being asked whether he/she wants to apply.
> 
> 
>> In this context, I was surprised why Pratik calls this a "post" and had to
>> send a "resignation note" to the larger mailing list and open "nominations"
>> for successors. May be it is En Wiki practice but I found this too
>> complicated for a simple situation.
>> 
>> 
> If you dint like those words, I'm sorry.
> 
> 
>> If one cannot find a suitable coordinator from the members of the project
>> listed at
>> 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INCOTM/Members
> 
> 
>> I wonder how a newcomer to the project will be fit to coordinate it.
>> 
> 
> We are in the process of finding one. Hold on.
> 
> 
>> 
>> This is a regular Wikipedia activity which is best managed within talk
>> pages and project noticeboards. This isn't a photo walk or a Wiki workshop
>> to hope if more people can join us through mailing lists. Even if you go by
>> that logic, if every regional Wikipedia starts mailing this list for
>> coordinating on wiki tasks, then it will be total mess.
>> 
>> Look, I'm short of time and sending on this list gives me no pleasure.
> There was a reason and a motive behind this, which I and other members have
> been repeatedly telling you.
> 
> 
>> I respect every one's opinion that mails like these are within the scope
>> of this list. If I continue to find such mails, I will simply unsubscribe :)
>> 
>> Even I respect your opinion, and I mean it. But I find this conversation
> is going somewhere else. The purpose was to get a new co-ordinator. But we
> are discussing what should be on this list and what should not.
> 
> I leave this conversation, peacefully.
> 
> -- 
> Warm Regards,
> *Pratik Lahoti*
> User:BPositive <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BPositive>
> 
> *Speak less, work more....*
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> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 21:48:18 +0530
> From: Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com>
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>    <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the
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>> Several communities which function online use the mailing list as the
>> primary source of communication and coordination. Ideally, the Wiki
>> talk/coordination pages could/should be used for such activities but
>> the downside is that a person has to be subscribed to individual page
>> updates to be able to know that some discrete activity has happened
>> and this is feasible for only expert wiki contributors and I am not
>> sure if we are yet at that ideal level of expertise.
>> 
> 
> Isn't English Wikipedia the most sophisticated and evolved one?  Hint:
> Watch list.
> 
> If someone is not actively following a project, then how is he fit to
> coordinate it?
> 
> Further, Wikipedia works on the community model and as you have
>> acknowledged most wikipedians on this list are not averse to such
>> mails.  There is also a delete option in our email clients which allow
>> us to delete mails which we do not want to read.  I hope you can
>> appreciate this and take a decision which is best suited for your
>> interests.
>> 
> 
> I wouldn't have brought up this conversation if this was just a spam issue.
> I simply felt that coordinating an on-wiki task through mailing list is not
> a best practice.
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> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 21:54:10 +0530
> From: Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia India Community list
>    <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the
>    post of volunteer co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM
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> 
>> I'm not much aware of how the project in Tamil Wikipedia functions. Well,
>> INCOTM on en.wiki is something huge. The reason I sent out this mail on
>> this mailing list (after getting approval from Ashwin Baindur) was to
>> inform the larger community. I feel sad to repeat the same thing again and
>> again. Also, my method of working is different from yours. I feel that I
>> should not just "handover", but ask everyone if they wish to apply for the
>> post. If yes, let the people who are participating in the COTM's vote for
>> them. This is how I work and will continue to work in the future, seeking
>> everyone's opinion.
>> 
> 
> This is not how I work or you work. It is about how a wiki should work. I
> quoted my experience to provide a context for my mail. Aren't there 100s of
> projects / elections running in En Wiki? Does everyone use mailing lists?
> 
> 
>> I could have easily called up any of my friends and they would have
>> agreed. But someone might be interested as well and would feel bad later on
>> not even being asked whether he/she wants to apply.
>> 
> 
> I am sorry that you didn't get the point yet. Where is the point of feeling
> bad when you can do it on-wiki transparently and everyone can see it?
> Nomination is a needless procedure but still it is ok if you wanted to
> follow a procedure.
> 
> This is a regular Wikipedia activity which is best managed within talk
>>> pages and project noticeboards. This isn't a photo walk or a Wiki workshop
>>> to hope if more people can join us through mailing lists. Even if you go by
>>> that logic, if every regional Wikipedia starts mailing this list for
>>> coordinating on wiki tasks, then it will be total mess.
>>> 
>>> Look, I'm short of time and sending on this list gives me no pleasure.
>> There was a reason and a motive behind this, which I and other members have
>> been repeatedly telling you.
>> 
> 
> May be if I start sending mails about everyday activities in Tamil
> Wikipedia, then you will understand the issue. There are many Tamils here
> who are not in Tamil Wikipedia. So, may be we too will have a good chance
> to find good volunteers :)
> 
> But we are discussing what should be on this list and what should not.
>> 
> 
> Is discussing that beyond the scope of this list :)
> 
> 
>> 
>> I leave this conversation, peacefully.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Ditto :)
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