Hi Dwaipayan C, On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Dwaipayan Chakraborti <dwaipay...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Whatever has happened, do we have any other editor who is somewhat > experienced and willing to take the responsibility of the coordinator of > the weekly collaboration? > > There is not many nominations in the page. Although "The Special User" > could be a good coordinator, apparently he is taking a wiki break. And the > other candidate, Kruttika, I feel does not have enough experience in > en.wikipedia. > I was thinking if both of them can work together as Coordinator and c-coordinator???? Fine? On the process, Krutikka would also learn, and yeah, TheSpecialUser looks for me as the best candidate. Thanks! > > Anyone else interested? > > Regards, > > Dwaipayan Chakraborti > > On Sep 29, 2012, at 8:00 AM, > wikimediaindia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.orgwrote: > > > Send Wikimediaindia-l mailing list submissions to > > wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > wikimediaindia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > wikimediaindia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Wikimediaindia-l digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the post of volunteer > > co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM (Ravishankar) > > 2. Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the post of volunteer > > co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM (Vikram Vincent) > > 3. Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the post of volunteer > > co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM (Pratik Lahoti) > > 4. Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the post of volunteer > > co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM (Ravishankar) > > 5. Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the post of volunteer > > co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM (Ravishankar) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 20:29:36 +0530 > > From: Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> > > To: Wikimedia India Community list > > <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the > > post of volunteer co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM > > Message-ID: > > <caf2qyrcj-02+ocby9rmk+zhgw5pvdxrrtqeq-yplscei8hr...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hi Hari, Arun, Pratik, Srikanth, Karthik, > > > > Similar to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INCOTM/ project, > we > > run a project in Tamil Wikipedia called Colloboration of the Week. I was > > co-ordinating it for few months. When I got busy, I intentionally let it > > unupdated for a week to see it picked up by another Wikipedian. He was > > also the guy most involved in this project from the beginning. I asked > him > > if he is willing to take the responsibility and he said yes. That's it. I > > have seen many such smooth handovers for various jobs done in our > Wikipedia. > > > > In this context, I was surprised why Pratik calls this a "post" and had > to > > send a "resignation note" to the larger mailing list and open > "nominations" > > for successors. May be it is En Wiki practice but I found this too > > complicated for a simple situation. > > > > If one cannot find a suitable coordinator from the members of the project > > listed at > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INCOTM/Members > > > > I wonder how a newcomer to the project will be fit to coordinate it. > > > > This is a regular Wikipedia activity which is best managed within talk > > pages and project noticeboards. This isn't a photo walk or a Wiki > workshop > > to hope if more people can join us through mailing lists. Even if you go > by > > that logic, if every regional Wikipedia starts mailing this list for > > coordinating on wiki tasks, then it will be total mess. > > > > I respect every one's opinion that mails like these are within the scope > of > > this list. If I continue to find such mails, I will simply unsubscribe :) > > > > Ravi > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20120928/ba6c3759/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 20:53:30 +0530 > > From: Vikram Vincent <vincentvik...@gmail.com> > > To: Wikimedia India Community list > > <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the > > post of volunteer co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM > > Message-ID: > > <CALbAbwJ+ufPt5RpRL4Pt30=rpfv7d31wfgbpbjvtkeeeuqp...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Hi, > > > > On 28 September 2012 20:29, Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I respect every one's opinion that mails like these are within the > scope of > >> this list. If I continue to find such mails, I will simply unsubscribe > :) > > > > Several communities which function online use the mailing list as the > > primary source of communication and coordination. Ideally, the Wiki > > talk/coordination pages could/should be used for such activities but > > the downside is that a person has to be subscribed to individual page > > updates to be able to know that some discrete activity has happened > > and this is feasible for only expert wiki contributors and I am not > > sure if we are yet at that ideal level of expertise. > > Further, Wikipedia works on the community model and as you have > > acknowledged most wikipedians on this list are not averse to such > > mails. There is also a delete option in our email clients which allow > > us to delete mails which we do not want to read. I hope you can > > appreciate this and take a decision which is best suited for your > > interests. > > Thank you for your patience. > > With warm wishes, > > Vikram Vincent > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 20:54:23 +0530 > > From: Pratik Lahoti <pr4tiklah...@gmail.com> > > To: Wikimedia India Community list > > <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the > > post of volunteer co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM > > Message-ID: > > <CACBdSKpEZfY=uJvi0v4BOn_q0=jec6joqs2a8d_f22j7aab...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hi Ravishankar, > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> Hi Hari, Arun, Pratik, Srikanth, Karthik, > >> > >> Similar to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INCOTM/ project, > we > >> run a project in Tamil Wikipedia called Colloboration of the Week. I was > >> co-ordinating it for few months. When I got busy, I intentionally let it > >> unupdated for a week to see it picked up by another Wikipedian. He was > >> also the guy most involved in this project from the beginning. I asked > him > >> if he is willing to take the responsibility and he said yes. That's it. > I > >> have seen many such smooth handovers for various jobs done in our > Wikipedia. > >> > >> > > I'm not much aware of how the project in Tamil Wikipedia functions. Well, > > INCOTM on en.wiki is something huge. The reason I sent out this mail on > > this mailing list (after getting approval from Ashwin Baindur) was to > > inform the larger community. I feel sad to repeat the same thing again > and > > again. Also, my method of working is different from yours. I feel that I > > should not just "handover", but ask everyone if they wish to apply for > the > > post. If yes, let the people who are participating in the COTM's vote for > > them. This is how I work and will continue to work in the future, seeking > > everyone's opinion. > > > > I could have easily called up any of my friends and they would have > agreed. > > But someone might be interested as well and would feel bad later on not > > even being asked whether he/she wants to apply. > > > > > >> In this context, I was surprised why Pratik calls this a "post" and had > to > >> send a "resignation note" to the larger mailing list and open > "nominations" > >> for successors. May be it is En Wiki practice but I found this too > >> complicated for a simple situation. > >> > >> > > If you dint like those words, I'm sorry. > > > > > >> If one cannot find a suitable coordinator from the members of the > project > >> listed at > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INCOTM/Members > > > > > >> I wonder how a newcomer to the project will be fit to coordinate it. > >> > > > > We are in the process of finding one. Hold on. > > > > > >> > >> This is a regular Wikipedia activity which is best managed within talk > >> pages and project noticeboards. This isn't a photo walk or a Wiki > workshop > >> to hope if more people can join us through mailing lists. Even if you > go by > >> that logic, if every regional Wikipedia starts mailing this list for > >> coordinating on wiki tasks, then it will be total mess. > >> > >> Look, I'm short of time and sending on this list gives me no pleasure. > > There was a reason and a motive behind this, which I and other members > have > > been repeatedly telling you. > > > > > >> I respect every one's opinion that mails like these are within the scope > >> of this list. If I continue to find such mails, I will simply > unsubscribe :) > >> > >> Even I respect your opinion, and I mean it. But I find this conversation > > is going somewhere else. The purpose was to get a new co-ordinator. But > we > > are discussing what should be on this list and what should not. > > > > I leave this conversation, peacefully. > > > > -- > > Warm Regards, > > *Pratik Lahoti* > > User:BPositive <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BPositive> > > > > *Speak less, work more....* > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20120928/ce69c7ae/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 21:48:18 +0530 > > From: Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> > > To: Wikimedia India Community list > > <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the > > post of volunteer co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM > > Message-ID: > > <CAF2QyrDwgwK_F+gd7QS1cpXFye_fhnnequ=+pye4ywy_jvq...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >> Several communities which function online use the mailing list as the > >> primary source of communication and coordination. Ideally, the Wiki > >> talk/coordination pages could/should be used for such activities but > >> the downside is that a person has to be subscribed to individual page > >> updates to be able to know that some discrete activity has happened > >> and this is feasible for only expert wiki contributors and I am not > >> sure if we are yet at that ideal level of expertise. > >> > > > > Isn't English Wikipedia the most sophisticated and evolved one? Hint: > > Watch list. > > > > If someone is not actively following a project, then how is he fit to > > coordinate it? > > > > Further, Wikipedia works on the community model and as you have > >> acknowledged most wikipedians on this list are not averse to such > >> mails. There is also a delete option in our email clients which allow > >> us to delete mails which we do not want to read. I hope you can > >> appreciate this and take a decision which is best suited for your > >> interests. > >> > > > > I wouldn't have brought up this conversation if this was just a spam > issue. > > I simply felt that coordinating an on-wiki task through mailing list is > not > > a best practice. > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20120928/1f9d749f/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 21:54:10 +0530 > > From: Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> > > To: Wikimedia India Community list > > <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the > > post of volunteer co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM > > Message-ID: > > <CAF2QyrA0u=Dg28VTe_ge=Z2v3ERGhLco6-Ga3O=7ze61oux...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >> I'm not much aware of how the project in Tamil Wikipedia functions. > Well, > >> INCOTM on en.wiki is something huge. The reason I sent out this mail on > >> this mailing list (after getting approval from Ashwin Baindur) was to > >> inform the larger community. I feel sad to repeat the same thing again > and > >> again. Also, my method of working is different from yours. I feel that I > >> should not just "handover", but ask everyone if they wish to apply for > the > >> post. If yes, let the people who are participating in the COTM's vote > for > >> them. This is how I work and will continue to work in the future, > seeking > >> everyone's opinion. > >> > > > > This is not how I work or you work. It is about how a wiki should work. I > > quoted my experience to provide a context for my mail. Aren't there 100s > of > > projects / elections running in En Wiki? Does everyone use mailing lists? > > > > > >> I could have easily called up any of my friends and they would have > >> agreed. But someone might be interested as well and would feel bad > later on > >> not even being asked whether he/she wants to apply. > >> > > > > I am sorry that you didn't get the point yet. Where is the point of > feeling > > bad when you can do it on-wiki transparently and everyone can see it? > > Nomination is a needless procedure but still it is ok if you wanted to > > follow a procedure. > > > > This is a regular Wikipedia activity which is best managed within talk > >>> pages and project noticeboards. This isn't a photo walk or a Wiki > workshop > >>> to hope if more people can join us through mailing lists. Even if you > go by > >>> that logic, if every regional Wikipedia starts mailing this list for > >>> coordinating on wiki tasks, then it will be total mess. > >>> > >>> Look, I'm short of time and sending on this list gives me no pleasure. > >> There was a reason and a motive behind this, which I and other members > have > >> been repeatedly telling you. > >> > > > > May be if I start sending mails about everyday activities in Tamil > > Wikipedia, then you will understand the issue. There are many Tamils here > > who are not in Tamil Wikipedia. So, may be we too will have a good chance > > to find good volunteers :) > > > > But we are discussing what should be on this list and what should not. > >> > > > > Is discussing that beyond the scope of this list :) > > > > > >> > >> I leave this conversation, peacefully. > >> > >> > > > > Ditto :) > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/attachments/20120928/adc95267/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > > > > > End of Wikimediaindia-l Digest, Vol 281, Issue 1 > > ************************************************ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > -- Thanks and regards, (User:Karthikndr <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Karthikndr>) *Karthik Nadar.*
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