Hi,

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Karthik Nadar <karthik...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Dwaipayan C,
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Dwaipayan Chakraborti <
> dwaipay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Whatever has happened, do we have any other editor who is somewhat
>> experienced and willing to take the responsibility of the coordinator of
>> the weekly collaboration?
>>
>> There is not many nominations in the page. Although "The Special User"
>> could be a good coordinator, apparently he is taking a wiki break. And the
>> other candidate, Kruttika, I feel does not have enough experience in
>> en.wikipedia.
>>
>
> I was thinking if both of them can work together as Coordinator and
> c-coordinator???? Fine? On the process, Krutikka would also learn, and
> yeah, TheSpecialUser looks for me as the best candidate.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>>
>> Anyone else interested?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dwaipayan Chakraborti
>>
>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 8:00 AM, 
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>> >   1. Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the post of volunteer
>> >      co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM (Ravishankar)
>> >   2. Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the post of volunteer
>> >      co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM (Vikram Vincent)
>> >   3. Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the post of volunteer
>> >      co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM (Pratik Lahoti)
>> >   4. Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the post of volunteer
>> >      co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM (Ravishankar)
>> >   5. Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the post of volunteer
>> >      co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM (Ravishankar)
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 20:29:36 +0530
>> > From: Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com>
>> > To: Wikimedia India Community list
>> >    <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the
>> >    post of volunteer co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM
>> > Message-ID:
>> >    <caf2qyrcj-02+ocby9rmk+zhgw5pvdxrrtqeq-yplscei8hr...@mail.gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> > Hi Hari, Arun, Pratik, Srikanth, Karthik,
>> >
>> > Similar to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INCOTM/ project,
>> we
>> > run a project in Tamil Wikipedia called Colloboration of the Week. I was
>> > co-ordinating it for few months. When I got busy, I intentionally let it
>> > unupdated for a week  to see it picked up by another Wikipedian. He was
>> > also the guy most involved in this project from the beginning. I asked
>> him
>> > if he is willing to take the responsibility and he said yes. That's it.
>> I
>> > have seen many such smooth handovers for various jobs done in our
>> Wikipedia.
>> >
>> > In this context, I was surprised why Pratik calls this a "post" and had
>> to
>> > send a "resignation note" to the larger mailing list and open
>> "nominations"
>> > for successors. May be it is En Wiki practice but I found this too
>> > complicated for a simple situation.
>> >
>> > If one cannot find a suitable coordinator from the members of the
>> project
>> > listed at
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INCOTM/Members
>> >
>> > I wonder how a newcomer to the project will be fit to coordinate it.
>> >
>> > This is a regular Wikipedia activity which is best managed within talk
>> > pages and project noticeboards. This isn't a photo walk or a Wiki
>> workshop
>> > to hope if more people can join us through mailing lists. Even if you
>> go by
>> > that logic, if every regional Wikipedia starts mailing this list for
>> > coordinating on wiki tasks, then it will be total mess.
>> >
>> > I respect every one's opinion that mails like these are within the
>> scope of
>> > this list. If I continue to find such mails, I will simply unsubscribe
>> :)
>> >
>> > Ravi
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>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 20:53:30 +0530
>> > From: Vikram Vincent <vincentvik...@gmail.com>
>> > To: Wikimedia India Community list
>> >    <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the
>> >    post of volunteer co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM
>> > Message-ID:
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>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > On 28 September 2012 20:29, Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I respect every one's opinion that mails like these are within the
>> scope of
>> >> this list. If I continue to find such mails, I will simply unsubscribe
>> :)
>> >
>> > Several communities which function online use the mailing list as the
>> > primary source of communication and coordination. Ideally, the Wiki
>> > talk/coordination pages could/should be used for such activities but
>> > the downside is that a person has to be subscribed to individual page
>> > updates to be able to know that some discrete activity has happened
>> > and this is feasible for only expert wiki contributors and I am not
>> > sure if we are yet at that ideal level of expertise.
>> > Further, Wikipedia works on the community model and as you have
>> > acknowledged most wikipedians on this list are not averse to such
>> > mails.  There is also a delete option in our email clients which allow
>> > us to delete mails which we do not want to read.  I hope you can
>> > appreciate this and take a decision which is best suited for your
>> > interests.
>> > Thank you for your patience.
>> > With warm wishes,
>> > Vikram Vincent
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 3
>> > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 20:54:23 +0530
>> > From: Pratik Lahoti <pr4tiklah...@gmail.com>
>> > To: Wikimedia India Community list
>> >    <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the
>> >    post of volunteer co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM
>> > Message-ID:
>> >    <CACBdSKpEZfY=uJvi0v4BOn_q0=jec6joqs2a8d_f22j7aab...@mail.gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> > Hi Ravishankar,
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Hari, Arun, Pratik, Srikanth, Karthik,
>> >>
>> >> Similar to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INCOTM/project, we
>> >> run a project in Tamil Wikipedia called Colloboration of the Week. I
>> was
>> >> co-ordinating it for few months. When I got busy, I intentionally let
>> it
>> >> unupdated for a week  to see it picked up by another Wikipedian. He was
>> >> also the guy most involved in this project from the beginning. I asked
>> him
>> >> if he is willing to take the responsibility and he said yes. That's
>> it. I
>> >> have seen many such smooth handovers for various jobs done in our
>> Wikipedia.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > I'm not much aware of how the project in Tamil Wikipedia functions.
>> Well,
>> > INCOTM on en.wiki is something huge. The reason I sent out this mail on
>> > this mailing list (after getting approval from Ashwin Baindur) was to
>> > inform the larger community. I feel sad to repeat the same thing again
>> and
>> > again. Also, my method of working is different from yours. I feel that I
>> > should not just "handover", but ask everyone if they wish to apply for
>> the
>> > post. If yes, let the people who are participating in the COTM's vote
>> for
>> > them. This is how I work and will continue to work in the future,
>> seeking
>> > everyone's opinion.
>> >
>> > I could have easily called up any of my friends and they would have
>> agreed.
>> > But someone might be interested as well and would feel bad later on not
>> > even being asked whether he/she wants to apply.
>> >
>> >
>> >> In this context, I was surprised why Pratik calls this a "post" and
>> had to
>> >> send a "resignation note" to the larger mailing list and open
>> "nominations"
>> >> for successors. May be it is En Wiki practice but I found this too
>> >> complicated for a simple situation.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > If you dint like those words, I'm sorry.
>> >
>> >
>> >> If one cannot find a suitable coordinator from the members of the
>> project
>> >> listed at
>> >>
>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INCOTM/Members
>> >
>> >
>> >> I wonder how a newcomer to the project will be fit to coordinate it.
>> >>
>> >
>> > We are in the process of finding one. Hold on.
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> This is a regular Wikipedia activity which is best managed within talk
>> >> pages and project noticeboards. This isn't a photo walk or a Wiki
>> workshop
>> >> to hope if more people can join us through mailing lists. Even if you
>> go by
>> >> that logic, if every regional Wikipedia starts mailing this list for
>> >> coordinating on wiki tasks, then it will be total mess.
>> >>
>> >> Look, I'm short of time and sending on this list gives me no pleasure.
>> > There was a reason and a motive behind this, which I and other members
>> have
>> > been repeatedly telling you.
>> >
>> >
>> >> I respect every one's opinion that mails like these are within the
>> scope
>> >> of this list. If I continue to find such mails, I will simply
>> unsubscribe :)
>> >>
>> >> Even I respect your opinion, and I mean it. But I find this
>> conversation
>> > is going somewhere else. The purpose was to get a new co-ordinator. But
>> we
>> > are discussing what should be on this list and what should not.
>> >
>> > I leave this conversation, peacefully.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Warm Regards,
>> > *Pratik Lahoti*
>> > User:BPositive <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BPositive>
>> >
>> > *Speak less, work more....*
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>> >
>> > Message: 4
>> > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 21:48:18 +0530
>> > From: Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com>
>> > To: Wikimedia India Community list
>> >    <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the
>> >    post of volunteer co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM
>> > Message-ID:
>> >    <CAF2QyrDwgwK_F+gd7QS1cpXFye_fhnnequ=+pye4ywy_jvq...@mail.gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> >> Several communities which function online use the mailing list as the
>> >> primary source of communication and coordination. Ideally, the Wiki
>> >> talk/coordination pages could/should be used for such activities but
>> >> the downside is that a person has to be subscribed to individual page
>> >> updates to be able to know that some discrete activity has happened
>> >> and this is feasible for only expert wiki contributors and I am not
>> >> sure if we are yet at that ideal level of expertise.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Isn't English Wikipedia the most sophisticated and evolved one?  Hint:
>> > Watch list.
>> >
>> > If someone is not actively following a project, then how is he fit to
>> > coordinate it?
>> >
>> > Further, Wikipedia works on the community model and as you have
>> >> acknowledged most wikipedians on this list are not averse to such
>> >> mails.  There is also a delete option in our email clients which allow
>> >> us to delete mails which we do not want to read.  I hope you can
>> >> appreciate this and take a decision which is best suited for your
>> >> interests.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I wouldn't have brought up this conversation if this was just a spam
>> issue.
>> > I simply felt that coordinating an on-wiki task through mailing list is
>> not
>> > a best practice.
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>> >
>> > Message: 5
>> > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 21:54:10 +0530
>> > From: Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com>
>> > To: Wikimedia India Community list
>> >    <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Resigning from the
>> >    post of volunteer co-ordinator of WP:INCOTM
>> > Message-ID:
>> >    <CAF2QyrA0u=Dg28VTe_ge=Z2v3ERGhLco6-Ga3O=7ze61oux...@mail.gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> >> I'm not much aware of how the project in Tamil Wikipedia functions.
>> Well,
>> >> INCOTM on en.wiki is something huge. The reason I sent out this mail on
>> >> this mailing list (after getting approval from Ashwin Baindur) was to
>> >> inform the larger community. I feel sad to repeat the same thing again
>> and
>> >> again. Also, my method of working is different from yours. I feel that
>> I
>> >> should not just "handover", but ask everyone if they wish to apply for
>> the
>> >> post. If yes, let the people who are participating in the COTM's vote
>> for
>> >> them. This is how I work and will continue to work in the future,
>> seeking
>> >> everyone's opinion.
>> >>
>> >
>> > This is not how I work or you work. It is about how a wiki should work.
>> I
>> > quoted my experience to provide a context for my mail. Aren't there
>> 100s of
>> > projects / elections running in En Wiki? Does everyone use mailing
>> lists?
>> >
>> >
>> >> I could have easily called up any of my friends and they would have
>> >> agreed. But someone might be interested as well and would feel bad
>> later on
>> >> not even being asked whether he/she wants to apply.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I am sorry that you didn't get the point yet. Where is the point of
>> feeling
>> > bad when you can do it on-wiki transparently and everyone can see it?
>> > Nomination is a needless procedure but still it is ok if you wanted to
>> > follow a procedure.
>> >
>> > This is a regular Wikipedia activity which is best managed within talk
>> >>> pages and project noticeboards. This isn't a photo walk or a Wiki
>> workshop
>> >>> to hope if more people can join us through mailing lists. Even if you
>> go by
>> >>> that logic, if every regional Wikipedia starts mailing this list for
>> >>> coordinating on wiki tasks, then it will be total mess.
>> >>>
>> >>> Look, I'm short of time and sending on this list gives me no pleasure.
>> >> There was a reason and a motive behind this, which I and other members
>> have
>> >> been repeatedly telling you.
>> >>
>> >
>> > May be if I start sending mails about everyday activities in Tamil
>> > Wikipedia, then you will understand the issue. There are many Tamils
>> here
>> > who are not in Tamil Wikipedia. So, may be we too will have a good
>> chance
>> > to find good volunteers :)
>> >
>> > But we are discussing what should be on this list and what should not.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Is discussing that beyond the scope of this list :)
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I leave this conversation, peacefully.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Ditto :)
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I agree with Karthik. No hard and fast rule of having a single
co-ordinator. We can go for two. But lets decide fast.
Krutikaa, I believe has extremely good communication skills and
TheSpecialUser is a fantastic Wikipedian! Both working together, might work
out, in my opinion. If others agree to the same, I'll send them an email
informing them about the same.

-- 
Warm Regards,
*Pratik Lahoti*
User:BPositive <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BPositive>

*Speak less, work more....*
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