On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Quim Gil <q...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Can you describe this Chapter SIG route / model, or point to a URL
> explaining it? The only thing I could find is
> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/City_**and_Language_SIG_subcommittee_**chair<http://wiki.wikimedia.in/City_and_Language_SIG_subcommittee_chair>but
>  nothing about process or even group activities can be found there.
> In the meantime, let me add a bit more to Noopur's argument and my
> previous reply.
> The main motivation of MediaWiki groups is unsurprisingly
> http://mediawiki.org - the open source software and its community around.
> They can be created in Ahmedabad, San Francisco, Mexico City, Berlin or
> wherever, but they share common needs, common activities, common materials
> and so on.

It seems it's creation is being facilitated by staff members rather than
anyone doing the actual work. I don't know if that's a way of circumventing
other entities and creating a direct relationship model or just because we
need more things carrying Wikimedia or Mediawiki names and risk further

> MediaWiki Groups were born at mediawiki.org because they were needed to
> bring this open source community to the physical space. In a formal sense
> they are just wiki pages with registered users signing up for them. No
> non-profit creation, no formal membership... The whole identity is based
> purely on activities organized.

Could you provide some URL to point to how this idea of groups came upon
for India. I only saw the staff leading the way for this instead of this
coming about organically.

> It was a coincidence that the Wikimedia movement was about to approve the
> User Groups while MediaWiki Groups were defined. We discussed with the
> AffCom and we fine tuned the MediaWiki Groups requirements and process in
> order to make them Wikimedia User Groups as well.

Wikimedia Movement approved User groups? hmm I must have missed that. From
my cursory search, I couldn't find the idea of of Mediawiki Groups
predating User Groups, which still aren't very fleshed out.

> Then Harsh, Yuvi and also Sucheta showed up proposing a MediaWiki Group
> India. At the end we decided that MediaWiki Groups need to be strictly
> local, and that MediaWiki activities at a national level should be better
> organized with the chapters, since they have already the infrastructure for
> that. Then Harsh evolved the proposal to MediaWiki Group Ahmedabad, Sucheta
> is already trying to gather critical mass for a MediaWiki Group Kolkata,
> etc.
> That's it. You can still argue that such organizations could be handled a
> part of Wikimedia India SIGs, and that their promoters wouldn't be required
> to be chapter members. I don't even disagree with the idea, but in the
> right sequence of events: the motivation of these groups is mediawiki.organd 
> therefore good alignment and coordination within the MediaWiki
> community is what matters most. I have no doubt that strong MediaWiki
> Groups will contribute to the strength of the Wikimedia community and their
> related chapters.

I don't understand the pressing need to formalize their affiliation? The
development can go on without groups, committees. I recall the staff
organizing several hackathons and meetings in India in relation to this.
Was there some aspect of that collaboration being held back by an informal
relation model?

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