I want to clarify background about age query : Regarding age limit - There were many queries from college students (around 15 to 17 years old) about joining Chapter - after inspiring talk by His Highness Sudhanwa Joglekar (President, Wikimedia India Chapter). It was decent talk at Club event about ''why someone should join Wikimedia India Chapter'' .. It would add impact if Chapter talks/presentations end up with distribution of membership forms. Thanks to him for inspiring below 18 years kids to join Wikimedia India Chapter.
When we told them it is only for 18+, first question they asked - 'Is it adult censored organization?' I was a wikipedian first and then became a chapter member, could not renew > my membership and renewed membership recently and still a wikipedian. > I love your passion, Good to know irrespective membership you 'are' and will be always a Wikipedian...Apart from this - Lets overcome problems which you had, why you were unable to renew your membership? I hope problem was different than submitting birth-certificate to prove you are 18+ *Chapter is to support the communities and not to create members. > * * * *Chapter is there is support to community *is controversial part - lets keep that aside. Members are essential to make sure Chapter is there to support community. Chapter is facilitated by members. So if Chapter is putting up efforts to 'create' members - its justifiable. Hope so they do it better by having smooth membership registration/renewal process. *I'd like to ask what are the benefits for a foreign national to be part of > Wikimedia India (which is a country specific chapter) where he/she can be a > member of his/her own country? > * Along with uninvited foreign money transfer problems - it might give Chapter new direction and new perspective. And whats harm in having foreign national as member? and Congrats on Membership renewal. Now you are 'certified (18+) Member' as well as (Indian) Wikipedian. ;) Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:44 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi < subhash...@cis-india.org> wrote: > > On 09-Feb-2013, at 1:37 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi wrote: > > > I guess it is possible to extend membership criteria for foreign nationals > as well youngsters below 18 years. I know NGO's from Bangalore which accept > memberships from foreign delegates. > > Is there anything special associated with it? I was a wikipedian first and > then became a chapter member, could not renew my membership and renewed > membership recently and still a wikipedian. Chapter is to support the > communities and not to create members. I'd like to ask what are the > benefits for a foreign national to be part of Wikimedia India (which is a > country specific chapter) where he/she can be a member of his/her own > country? > > > Can we expect - new Membership (April-2013 to March 2014) will be > available to everyone by crossing age and nationality barrier? :) > > > > Regards, > Abhishek Suryawanshi, > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune > > > > >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Srikanth Ramakrishnan <srik.r...@wikimedia.in> >> To: Wikimedia India Community list <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Cc: >> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 01:02:34 +0530 >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG? >> While the age restriction might be modifiable, I'm not too sure yet, >> will have to check with the Karnataka Registrar of Societies, the >> Nationality of members has to be Indian as set down by the Ministry of >> Home Affairs, Goverment of India. >> >> On 2/7/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi <i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Thanks Arun for clarification. >> > >> > I can understand difficulty in getting registration. As society >> > registration is done, Hope so membership criteria will improve, so more >> and >> > more people can become part of movement. >> > >> > My query was just to make sure access is available to all irrespective >> of >> > age and nationality barrier! :) >> > >> > >> > >> > Regards, >> > Abhishek Suryawanshi, >> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > From: Arun Ramarathnam <arunra...@gmail.com> >> > To: Wikimedia India Community list < >> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> > Cc: >> > Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 19:53:50 +0530 >> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG? >> > >> > >> > On Feb 2, 2013 7:22 PM, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" < >> > i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Why there is 18 age limit to become member of Wikimedia India Chapter? >> > >> > Dear Abhishek, >> > >> > I can take that query as one of the folks involved in preparing and >> > debating the original MOA clauses of the chapter. >> > >> > The original intent was to keep membership criteria as open as possible >> - >> > age, citizenship, etc. >> > However the advise of the consultant who helped us with the society >> > registration was to limit membership to adults and indian citizens >> based >> > on their prior experience with getting these registrations through >> > quickly. We were advised that we could later seek permissions for the >> > above if the authorities so permitted. >> > >> > Not with standing these limitations it took the lot of meetings with >> > authorities to get the formal registration through. I have attended >> many >> > of these meetings to get due clearance. >> > >> > Hope that clarifies your query. >> > Regards >> > Arun >> > >> > >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > From: Abhishek Suryawanshi <i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> >> > To: Srikanth Ramakrishnan <srik.r...@wikimedia.in> >> > Cc: Wikimedia India Community list < >> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> > Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 19:21:39 +0530 >> > Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG? >> > >> > Dear Srikanth, >> > >> > *When I mentioned it is easy to become a member, I meant for Indian >> >> citizens.* >> >> >> > 100 Rupee is membership fee and whether its small amount or large >> > amount is different point of view. >> > >> > >> > >> > Why there is 18 age limit to become member of Wikimedia India Chapter? >> > >> > >> > >> > Regards, >> > Abhishek Suryawanshi, >> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _____________________________________________________________________ >> > >> > *Srikanth Ramakrishnan* srik.ramk at wikimedia.in >> > <wikimediaindia-l% >> 40lists.wikimedia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BWikimediaindia-l%5D%20How%20to%20set%20up%20a%20SIG%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCAKZFZLu1coq2ts46VsaN4_JOuRtqUUXNU0TNx%2BdRXk_4zw81RA%40mail.gmail.com%3E<http://40lists.wikimedia.org/?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BWikimediaindia-l%5D%20How%20to%20set%20up%20a%20SIG%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CCAKZFZLu1coq2ts46VsaN4_JOuRtqUUXNU0TNx%2BdRXk_4zw81RA%40mail.gmail.com%3E> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Due to legal restrictions only an Indian citizen can become a member of >> the >> > Chapter. >> > When I mentioned it is easy to become a member, I meant for Indian >> > citizens. >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) <smazeland at >> > wikimedia.org >> > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l>> >> > wrote: >> > >> >>* On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <*>* srik.ramk >> at >> >> wikimedia.in >> >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l>> >> >> wrote:*>**>>* Becoming a member is pretty easy. It costs INR 100 to >> join >> >> and requires a*>>* single form to be filled and sent across.*>**>**>* >> >> Actually, it isn't. As Bence is not an Indian citizen over 18 or an >> >> Indian*>* institution, he cannot be a member.*>**>* Cheers!*>* --*>* >> >> Siebrand*>* _______________________________________________*>* >> >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list*>* Wikimediaindia-l at >> lists.wikimedia.org >> >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l>*>* To >> >> unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit*>* >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l*>**>** >> > >> > -- >> > Srikanth Ramakrishnan >> > Member of the Executive Committee >> > Wikimedia Chapter [India] >> > >> >> >> -- >> Srikanth Ramakrishnan >> Member of the Executive Committee >> Wikimedia Chapter [India] >> >> Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter today< >> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Yann Forget <yan...@gmail.com> >> To: Wikimedia India Community list <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Cc: >> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 01:18:32 +0530 >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] How to set up a SIG? >> Hello, >> >> 2013/2/8 Srikanth Ramakrishnan <srik.r...@wikimedia.in>: >> > While the age restriction might be modifiable, I'm not too sure yet, >> > will have to check with the Karnataka Registrar of Societies, the >> > Nationality of members has to be Indian as set down by the Ministry of >> > Home Affairs, Goverment of India. >> >> Are you really sure about that? I am very surprised. >> Most NGO in India accepted membership from foreign residents / >> expatriates. >> I would register to Wikimedia India if possible. >> >> Regards, >> >> Yann >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Abhishek Suryawanshi <i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> >> To: Srikanth Ramakrishnan <srik.r...@wikimedia.in> >> Cc: Wikimedia India Community list <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 10:50:15 +0530 >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia India needs your support: Our >> First Fundraiser >> >> Dear Srikanth, >> >> It different than asset concept. Its about making process cashless. >> For example, Chapter needs xyz amount to manage Travel (For Board >> meetings,attending events etc), >> >> >> >> >> >> This can be zeroed down by having 'in-kind' Airline or Travel/Hospitality >> partner. >> i.e instead of providing money to they will offer service/tickets directly, >> and this gives them tax exemption under >> Corporate Social Responsibility >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_corporate_social_responsibility_in_India) >> >> >> >> >> >> By providing cashless service - In return they get branding and exemption >> from Government of India. >> >> For company - its easy to provide service as compared to money, If they >> provide money - then they have to pay tax. >> >> >> >> >> >> So could you please provide Chapters requirements for next one year? So we >> can find donors easily? >> What are Chapters plans after receiving donations? If this is crystal clear >> - then its easy to attract more >> >> >> >> >> >> corporates and individuals to donate. >> >> This is real glitch - There is separate WMF Fundraiser every year, where >> Jimmy Wales makes appeal for donation. >> People might get confused, Many Indians donate directly to WMF. Is it fair >> to ask them to do same again? >> >> >> >> >> From third person, it looks like - WMF runs donation campaign, then asks >> regional chapters to raise money >> on their own instead of supporting them. Is there any kind of rejection from >> WMF to support Chapter activities >> >> >> >> >> >> financially? or Chapters proposed budget is beyond WMF approval? >> >> >> Already we have few volunteers to spread Wikimedia mission in India. >> Instead of spending volunteers precious energy on raising donations, Its >> better to devote same energy to fulfill Wikimedia mission? >> >> >> >> >> >> Just curiosity question : Before announcement - Was there any public >> discussion about having 'separate' donation campaign? >> Who proposed and approved idea? >> >> >> >> >> >> Clarification about Chapters expected budget and 'exact' financial >> requirements will enable easy donations. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Abhishek Suryawanshi, >> >> >> >> >> >> On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune >> >> >> >> >> >> *On 2/7/13, Srikanth Ramakrishnan* < srik.ramk at wikimedia.in >> <wikimediaindia-l%40lists.wikimedia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BWikimediaindia-l%5D%20Wikimedia%20India%20needs%20your%20support%3A%20Our%0A%09First%20Fundraiser&In-Reply-To=%3CCAKZFZLvZcF12UFJxgut5K9Tw5x%3DV_CG5bqdQ_KzUMTbtpPkjfA%40mail.gmail.com%3E> >> > wrote : >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello Abhishek, thank you for your suggestion. The 'in-kind' donation >> idea, while good actually has a small glitch. Anything that comes to >> the Chapter would be considered an asset and be kept in a certain >> place physically. Moving it out to a different place becomes a >> problem. Anyway, thanks for the suggestion. Do spread the word about >> our fundraiser though. >> >> On 2/7/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi <i.abhishek.suryawanshi at gmail.com >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l>> wrote: >> >* Nice initiative.*>**>* It would be great to have 'in-kind' donations >> >option along with monetary*>* option.*>**>* i.e If someone wants to donate >> >projector,room,laptop etc in-kind, It may be*>* easy for donor also as well >> >as Chapter to receive it. This will also make*>* sure Tax money is saved >> >from both ends.*>**>**>**>* Just two cents from my side.*>**>**>**>* >> >Regards,*>* Abhishek Suryawanshi,*>**>* On Behalf of Wikipedia Club >> >Pune*>**>**>**>**>**>**>**>* ---------- Forwarded message ----------*>* >> >From: Karthik Nadar <karthikndr at wikimedia.in >> ><https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l>>*>* To: >> >Wikimedia India Community list <wikimediaindia-l at lists.wikimedia.org >> ><https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l>>*>* Cc:*>* >> >Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 21:19:57 +0530*>* Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] >> >Wikimedia India needs your support: Our First*>* Fundraiser*>* *Dear >> >all,**>* **>* **>* *On the second anniversary of the Chapter, we made >> >public our intention of*>* running our first fundraiser. Going ahead with >> >the first phase of this*>* plan, we will be running a central site notice >> >on the chapter website for a*>* period of two calendar months starting 1 >> >February, 2013. In the second*>* phase of this plan, we aim to approach >> >high networth individuals and*>* corporates in the month of March 2013. >> >This will be done using personal and*>* professional networks of current >> >and past EC members, staff, volunteers*>* among others.**>* **>* >> >Suggestions, help and support from the community on what we can do to*>* >> >ensure success of this fundraiser are welcome. Every drop counts :)*>**>* >> >Donations can be made by Online Bank Transfer (NEFT/RTGS) or by sending >> >us*>* a Cheque through snail mail. We are unable to accept card payments at >> >this*>* current time. Link to the donation page on our website:*>* >> >http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate*>**>* Thanking you,*>* Executive >> >Committee,*>* Wikimedia India.*>**>* *Reasoning* (From our public statement >> >on 4 January, 2013)*>**>* A lot of people may ask why the chapter needs a >> >fundraiser when it has*>* access to WMF funding. The answer is, we are >> >still ineligible for FDC of*>* WMF (we hope to be eligible for the second >> >round of funding in 2013) and*>* would need to rely on grants, spending of >> >which is restricted by the WMF.*>* Since formation, the chapter has relied >> >heavily on the Executive Committee*>* to take on the burden of running the >> >show. In an ideal world, the EC would*>* like to take on the role of >> >guiding the chapter rather than actually be*>* responsible for operations >> >after two years of incorporation, which should*>* be best done by >> >professionals rather than volunteers in their spare time.*>**>* The chapter >> >has hired an employee (Sowmyan Tirumurti, our Executive*>* Manager) as well >> >as plans to lease its own office premises in Bangalore. We*>* will need the >> >help of those volunteers who are in a position to support us.*>* It could >> >be a small individual donation or in the form of a corporate*>* donation >> >from an institution. A small token of support from you could go a*>* long >> >way in helping us achieving our goals of furthering the movement in*>* >> >India.**>* **>* **>* **>* **>**>* --*>* Thanks and regards,*>* Karthik >> >Nadar,*>* Secretary, Wikimedia India Chapter.*>** >> >> -- >> Srikanth Ramakrishnan >> Member of the Executive Committee >> Wikimedia Chapter [India] >> >> Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter >> today<http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donations> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >
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