*@Karthik - *

*If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question *


Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are covered
by third party?

 *instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,*
>

Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then please
state who is covering travel expenses?

*which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to send
> out clarifications.  *


Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out
clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are
putting up efforts to blur whole situation.


*@Sudhanwa - *


*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
> CIS.
>
> Absolutely wrong information you have go*t.
>

AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please correct if
wrong.


*> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
> required
> > for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
>
> Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always
> open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the
> upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list.
>
> If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan
> the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also goes
> to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want
> to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do not
> hesitate to ask for suppo*rt.
>

It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed expenses
and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which can be
covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS.

So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of
activities than running for money? specially when third parties are
interested in supporting financially?

When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support
financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?.
I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed. So
Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities?



*@Dhaval - *


*> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. *
>
> *And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian
> Rupees?*
>
> *I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience,
> I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity,
> water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are not
> so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years ago).*
>

That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer exact
fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as compared to
cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it might
need extra efforts to run for money.
And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of expenses
already!

These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is
needed'.

I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see :
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-February/009257.html


> *> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
> required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? *
> * *
>
> *I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter
> website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants
> page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that
> chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you
> think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many grant
> requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be
> requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a
> figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount is
> used?*
> * *
>
> *This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of chapte*
> r.
>

*This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of chapte*r.
- I am talking about other 'fixed' expenses for possible activities which
can be zeroed down. Again refer above 'in-kind' link on how to zero it
down.


*> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
> CIS.
> >
> I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their
> finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on thi*s.
>

Your thoughts/assumption is correct, on which part you want elaboration?
And its Board Meeting flight tickets expenses.


*@Srikanth : *


*Substantiate your claim that CIS
> is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBER*S,
>

Read above replies and following link.




-Abhishek Suryawanshi,
Member No: INDI-31, Wikimedia India Chapter,
http://members.wikimedia.in/User:AbhiSuryawanshi


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
srik.r...@wikimedia.in> wrote:

> Abhishek,  where are you getting these ideas from? As our Secretary
> stated, please stop speaking for us. Substantiate your claim that CIS
> is funding us. The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS,
> and will put up all Grants, and other details in public. Running a
> society in India has a thousand formalities with various Government
> departments.
>
> On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi <i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I meant Board Meeting.  Sorry for confusion and apologies for same.
> >
> > Chapter flight tickets and travel expenses are covered by CIS, Correct me
> > if I am wrong???
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Abhishek Suryawanshi,
> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Dhaval S. Vyas <dsv...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On 11 Feb 2013 17:25, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" <
> >> i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > It will be unfair to call it cheating, however -
> >> >
> >> > 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account.
> >>
> >> And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ Indian
> >> Rupees?
> >>
> >> I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my experience,
> I
> >> know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. electricity,
> >> water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things are
> >> not
> >> so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years
> ago).
> >>
> >> >
> >> > 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are covered by
> >> CIS.
> >> >
> >> I qlways thought WMIN and CIS were two seperate entities and their
> >> finances are dealt seperately. Will love you elaborating more on this.
> >>
> >> > I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money is
> >> required for next year activities? and Which activities are planned?
> >>
> >> I don't think this is a simple query Abhishek. Have you seen chapter
> >> website? I'll strongly recomend you visit it. There is a link to Grants
> >> page in navigation menu. If you visit that page, you'll realise that
> >> chapter has funded several activities carried out by communities. Do you
> >> think will it be possible for chapter to tell you today that how many
> >> grant
> >> requests it is going to get this year? How much ammount will it be
> >> requested from various communities? Or do you suggest chapter decide a
> >> figure today and put a cap on grants and other expenses once that amount
> >> is
> >> used?
> >>
> >> This is just one example, don't take it as "the only expense" of
> chapter.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Lets have this clarity and transparency, so together we can make sure
> >> India Chapter is also strong (financially) like other Chapters.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > -Abhishek Suryawanshi,
> >> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Regards,
> >> Dhaval
> >> (on my own behalf)
> >>
> >> Disclaimer: I have no formal tie with the chapter nor with CIS. I have
> no
> >> financial inrerest with either of them personally.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Rudolph the Rd Nosed Reindeer <
> >> rednosedr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Interesting isn't it? That one should have timed that A2K bulletin to
> >> come out exactly when the Chapter is having a fundraiser and leave
> people
> >> like the good Doctor here confused about all this? Seems a bit
> >> deliberately
> >> done, don't you think?
> >> >>
> >> >> Too bad I ain't an Indian citizen, Else I would have donated a
> >> tremendous amount to you guys.
> >> >> Will spread the word on donations though.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> For others, please donate (liberally);
> >> >> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Donate
> >> >>
> >> >> ________________________________
> >> >> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:33:02 +0530
> >> >> From: srik.r...@wikimedia.in
> >> >> To: nawabhaki...@ymail.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Dr. Nawab Hakim,
> >> >> to clarify, the 2lakh that you are referring to was made as a grant
> to
> >> the Centre for Internet and Society, an independent organisation working
> >> out of Delhi.
> >> >>
> >> >> The Wikimedia Chapter (India) is independent society registered in
> >> India, under the Karnataka Societies Act. It is a Non-Profit entity
> >> comprising of volunteers. We rely on donations to run the Chapter.
> >> >>
> >> >> I hope this clears it out.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Dr. Nawab Hakim <
> >> nawabhaki...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> hai, why to donate to wikipedia chapter when they have 2lakh ruppes.
> >> this is cheating.
> >> >>>
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> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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> >> >> Member of the Executive Committee
> >> >> Wikimedia Chapter [India]
> >> >>
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>
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