Looks like Manmohan Singh maintaining silence and Kapil Sibbal giving his
best to censor media to keep image clean.


> *The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia
> India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions.*


I am also unable to find responce/clarification from EC. I can see just you
and Sunil@CIS explaining scenario.
Please care enough to redirect people to same?




Regards,
Niranjan Patel
Long Live Democracy!

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Anirudh Bhati <anirudh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Abhishek,
>
> The chapter's response has been to ask you to stop making
> unsubstantiated allegations.  Sunil has clarified that that the WMF
> sponsored A2K programme is funding travel and accommodation of some
> members of the Wikimedia India Executive Committee for the purpose of
> a training session in Bangalore organized for the benefit of the new
> employee(s) of CIS/A2K.  This is the sole purpose of funding travel
> and accommodation from CIS/A2K perspective and nothing else.  What the
> members of the WMIN board decide to do in their spare time while they
> are available in the same city is up to them.  If they use this time
> to organize a face to face board meeting, all the more better, since
> this way they save some precious chapter funds.  Your accusation that
> the chapter is misleading the community is a falsification.
>
> Since you have chosen to ignore my previous warning and continued to
> post on the same topic on this mailing list, I have put your account
> on moderation.  If you wish to discuss this matter further, please
> feel free to send an email to the chapter directly.
>
> Thanks,
> Anirudh
>
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi
> <i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Anirudh,
> >
> > Please direct me to the response/clarification from Wikimedia India
> > Executive Committee.
> >
> > Only Sunil has made the whole thing clear and now its "only"  You who is
> > saying -
> > It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will
> be
> > travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on
> > matters pertaining to their new assignments.  The Executive Committee
> > has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are
> > in the same city together to have a face to face meeting.  There is
> > nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds
> > chapter activities.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Abhishek Suryawanshi,
> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Anirudh Bhati <anirudh...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Abhishek,
> >>
> >> I noticed that you have been repetitively raising the same issues over
> >> and over again. The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia
> >> India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions.  It is
> >> clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be
> >> travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on
> >> matters pertaining to their new assignments.  The Executive Committee
> >> has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are
> >> in the same city together to have a face to face meeting.  There is
> >> nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds
> >> chapter activities.
> >>
> >> I have to ask you to please refrain from sending further emails on
> >> this topic.  If you ignore this warning, I will have to put your
> >> account on moderation.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Anirudh
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi
> >> <i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Dear Executive Committee,
> >> > Wikimedia India Chapter.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Could you be please be kind enough to clarify, Why EC was/is
> interested
> >> > in
> >> > misguiding mailing list and Indian community?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > When asked about CIS funding - Executive Committee member wrote :
> >> >
> >> >> The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so.
> >> >> If
> >> >> the CIS funds us, it will be madw public.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Then why weren't they made public by you? CIS clearly stated - they
> are
> >> > funding Chapter, and in past (also) they have supported in-kind.
> >> >
> >> > Why is the hesitation for acknowledging this? On the contrary - there
> is
> >> > strong rejection of even having any kind of connection with CIS from
> >> > Chapter
> >> > representatives. (On the other hand CIS is graciously open/alright to
> >> > acknowledge links with the Chapter)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On A Query about CIS funding Chapter Flight Tickets : Response from
> >> > Secretary was-
> >> >
> >> >> .....making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Which part was unsubstantiated?  Its the reality that this time
> Chapter
> >> > Board Member's Flight tickets ARE covered by CIS even if it includes
> >> > training the A2K team.
> >> > (CIS has already made it clear on this mailing list)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Why there is hesitation/resistance to have transparency?
> >> >
> >> > Also, the Chapter President gave statement on same thread -
> >> >
> >> >> Please be open and transparent to the
> >> >> community. The more you become transparent, it is better for all.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Are Chapter EC Members  exception to this?
> >> >
> >> > On same lines, Another EC Members says -
> >> >
> >> >>  The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > As correctly stated by , Chapter is having money from WMF, Which comes
> >> > from
> >> > individual donations. So ideally
> >> > Chapter should be accountable to the overall community and not just
> its
> >> > members, as rightly pointed out by someone
> >> >
> >> > Again, What is the need to find excuses for transparency?
> >> >
> >> > When there was statement that ''AGM travel expense is covered''
> instead
> >> > of
> >> > correcting statement and saying, its wrong - and CIS is paying for
> Board
> >> > Trip (which is coinciding with CIS training!)
> >> > Even Chapter President preferred to give out half truth and kept
> >> > everyone in
> >> > dark. And there was Secretary and another EC Member to take whole
> >> > mailing
> >> > list on a ride!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Why it is important?
> >> >
> >> > This could be start of new era - Where CIS supports Chapter
> financially
> >> > whenever needed.
> >> > (or in-kind as they did in past and hopefully will continue to do so).
> >> >
> >> > So more and more volunteer efforts can be devoted for
> >> > outreach/activities.
> >> >
> >> >> Please remember that chapter is representation of the community and
> >> >> works for the community
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Current scenario gives wrong interpretation and implies that community
> >> > should not raise questions on transparency because after-all we are
> your
> >> > representation! Either consult community before lying or speak
> >> > (complete)
> >> > truth.
> >> >
> >> >> Here is response from Sunil,CIS -
> >> >>
> >> >> This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related
> >> >> expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a
> >> >> training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in
> >> >> Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also
> organising
> >> >> a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this
> >> >> when I reached out to the EC and asked for their support us.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From Sunil's mail it is clear that Sunil extended the offer in
> >> > good-faith,
> >> > unaware of Chapter-Board meeting falling at the same time. However
> >> > Chapter
> >> > also seems to have taken this opportunity and is now shy to accept. I
> >> > don't
> >> > understand why?
> >> >
> >> > And why CIS was also kept in dark?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> CIS will cover air travel and accommodation for all EC members. CIS
> >> >> will
> >> >> also provide per diem for meals that are not provided during the
> >> >> training. Unfortunately, we don't have a separate budget for fees.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Along with 'air Travel', CIS is providing accommodation too.
> >> > And Last sentence about fee budget is interesting.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > If Chapter is expecting public support for fundraising and other
> >> > activities,
> >> > then it should be more transparent and 'should avoid organized and
> >> > dedicated
> >> > efforts to misguide community/keep in dark.'
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > And Hope so CIS takes care of all the
> >> >  remaining Chapter financial needs as well, Just keep community in
> loop.
> >> > And
> >> > Thanks to Sunil/ CIS for being transparent and open.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Keep Clarifying, Keep Inspiring!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -Abhishek Suryawanshi,
> >> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> > From: Sunil Abraham <su...@mahiti.org>
> >> > Date: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
> >> > To: Abhishek Suryawanshi <i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com>
> >> > Cc: Wikimedia India Community list
> >> > <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Dear Abhishek,
> >> >
> >> > CIS is not supporting travel expenses for Chapter EC meetings. Nor has
> >> > CIS provided funding to the Chapter so far from the Wikipedia grant.
> >> > CIS has provided in-kind support to the Chapter in previous financial
> >> > years for ex. society registration costs and the costs of their
> >> > financial adviser during their first financial year. We strongly
> >> > suppor
> >> >
> >> > This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related
> >> > expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a
> >> > training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in
> >> > Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also organising
> >> > a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this
> >> > when I reached out to the EC and asked for their support us.
> >> >
> >> > Dear Friends,
> >> >
> >> > In the first week of March, we hope to release a 6-monthly report of
> >> > the utilization of the grant so far. Usually we only provide an annual
> >> > consolidated report for all grants at the ledger group level. But for
> >> > this particular grant we will increase the degree of transparency to
> >> > address concerns of the community. If you have any suggestions on how
> >> > we should structure this report or if you have any further questions
> >> > about how CIS is spending the grant allocated do not hesitate to ask
> >> > me.
> >> >
> >> > Best wishes,
> >> >
> >> > Sunil
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -------- Original Message --------
> >> > Subject: Training of CIS-A2K team on 23 or 24 of February
> >> > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:48:42 +0530
> >> > From: Sunil Abraham <su...@cis-india.org>
> >> > To: Wikimedia India EC <wikimedia-in-e...@lists.wikimedia.org>
> >> >
> >> > Attn:
> >> >  Sudhanwa Jogalekar
> >> >  Karthik Nadar
> >> >  Anirudh Singh Bhati
> >> >  Nikita Belavate
> >> >  Pranav Curumsey
> >> >  Srikanth Ramakrishnan
> >> >  Viswa Prabha
> >> >
> >> > Dear Members of the Wikimedia India EC,
> >> >
> >> > Hope 2013 has gotten of to an excellent start for all of you.
> >> >
> >> > CIS is organising a training for the A2K team on the 22nd, 23rd and
> 24th
> >> > of February in Bangalore. The new Programme Director - Vishnu Vardhan
> >> > will also be attending this event. We would like the EC to spend one
> day
> >> > training the team on a variety of issues. We would prefer if you opt
> for
> >> > either 23rd or the 24th as we have some other trainers that have
> >> > confirmed for the 22nd.
> >> >
> >> > CIS will cover air travel and accommodation for all EC members. CIS
> will
> >> > also provide per diem for meals that are not provided during the
> >> > training. Unfortunately, we don't have a separate budget for fees.
> >> >
> >> > This idea has been discussed with Anasuya Sengupta and Jessie Wild at
> >> > the Wikimedia Foundation and they have supported it.
> >> >
> >> > Best wishes,
> >> >
> >> > Sunil
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi
> >> > <i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Dear Sunil,
> >> >>
> >> >> Could you please share information about CIS supporting Chapter
> Travel
> >> >> expenses?
> >> >>
> >> >> And Its nice and positive move, Great to see CIS continues to support
> >> >> movement in India.
> >> >> Volunteers can devote their time in doing activities and CIS can
> >> >> support
> >> >> as
> >> >> per request.
> >> >>
> >> >> As Chapter is shy/silent about acknowledging funding from CIS - Hope
> so
> >> >> your
> >> >> reply will clarify that CIS is there to support Chapter activities
> >> >> irrespective of criticism.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Keep Supporting, Keep Inspiring! :)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> Abhishek Suryawanshi,
> >> >> On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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