I agree with my friend Niranjan Patel.
Wont it be better if the *EC directly clarifies all doubts *& settle this
debate once & for all.


A concerned Wikimedian
Yohann Thomas



On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Niranjan Patel
<patel.nieran...@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> Looks like Manmohan Singh maintaining silence and Kapil Sibbal giving his
> best to censor media to keep image clean.
>
>
>> *The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia
>> India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions.*
>
>
> I am also unable to find responce/clarification from EC. I can see just
> you and Sunil@CIS explaining scenario.
> Please care enough to redirect people to same?
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Niranjan Patel
> Long Live Democracy!
>
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Anirudh Bhati <anirudh...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Abhishek,
>>
>> The chapter's response has been to ask you to stop making
>> unsubstantiated allegations.  Sunil has clarified that that the WMF
>> sponsored A2K programme is funding travel and accommodation of some
>> members of the Wikimedia India Executive Committee for the purpose of
>> a training session in Bangalore organized for the benefit of the new
>> employee(s) of CIS/A2K.  This is the sole purpose of funding travel
>> and accommodation from CIS/A2K perspective and nothing else.  What the
>> members of the WMIN board decide to do in their spare time while they
>> are available in the same city is up to them.  If they use this time
>> to organize a face to face board meeting, all the more better, since
>> this way they save some precious chapter funds.  Your accusation that
>> the chapter is misleading the community is a falsification.
>>
>> Since you have chosen to ignore my previous warning and continued to
>> post on the same topic on this mailing list, I have put your account
>> on moderation.  If you wish to discuss this matter further, please
>> feel free to send an email to the chapter directly.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Anirudh
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi
>> <i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Anirudh,
>> >
>> > Please direct me to the response/clarification from Wikimedia India
>> > Executive Committee.
>> >
>> > Only Sunil has made the whole thing clear and now its "only"  You who is
>> > saying -
>> > It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will
>> be
>> > travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on
>> > matters pertaining to their new assignments.  The Executive Committee
>> > has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are
>> > in the same city together to have a face to face meeting.  There is
>> > nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds
>> > chapter activities.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Abhishek Suryawanshi,
>> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Anirudh Bhati <anirudh...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Abhishek,
>> >>
>> >> I noticed that you have been repetitively raising the same issues over
>> >> and over again. The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia
>> >> India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions.  It is
>> >> clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be
>> >> travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on
>> >> matters pertaining to their new assignments.  The Executive Committee
>> >> has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are
>> >> in the same city together to have a face to face meeting.  There is
>> >> nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds
>> >> chapter activities.
>> >>
>> >> I have to ask you to please refrain from sending further emails on
>> >> this topic.  If you ignore this warning, I will have to put your
>> >> account on moderation.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Anirudh
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi
>> >> <i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Dear Executive Committee,
>> >> > Wikimedia India Chapter.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Could you be please be kind enough to clarify, Why EC was/is
>> interested
>> >> > in
>> >> > misguiding mailing list and Indian community?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > When asked about CIS funding - Executive Committee member wrote :
>> >> >
>> >> >> The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do
>> so.
>> >> >> If
>> >> >> the CIS funds us, it will be madw public.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Then why weren't they made public by you? CIS clearly stated - they
>> are
>> >> > funding Chapter, and in past (also) they have supported in-kind.
>> >> >
>> >> > Why is the hesitation for acknowledging this? On the contrary -
>> there is
>> >> > strong rejection of even having any kind of connection with CIS from
>> >> > Chapter
>> >> > representatives. (On the other hand CIS is graciously open/alright to
>> >> > acknowledge links with the Chapter)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On A Query about CIS funding Chapter Flight Tickets : Response from
>> >> > Secretary was-
>> >> >
>> >> >> .....making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Which part was unsubstantiated?  Its the reality that this time
>> Chapter
>> >> > Board Member's Flight tickets ARE covered by CIS even if it includes
>> >> > training the A2K team.
>> >> > (CIS has already made it clear on this mailing list)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Why there is hesitation/resistance to have transparency?
>> >> >
>> >> > Also, the Chapter President gave statement on same thread -
>> >> >
>> >> >> Please be open and transparent to the
>> >> >> community. The more you become transparent, it is better for all.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Are Chapter EC Members  exception to this?
>> >> >
>> >> > On same lines, Another EC Members says -
>> >> >
>> >> >>  The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > As correctly stated by , Chapter is having money from WMF, Which
>> comes
>> >> > from
>> >> > individual donations. So ideally
>> >> > Chapter should be accountable to the overall community and not just
>> its
>> >> > members, as rightly pointed out by someone
>> >> >
>> >> > Again, What is the need to find excuses for transparency?
>> >> >
>> >> > When there was statement that ''AGM travel expense is covered''
>> instead
>> >> > of
>> >> > correcting statement and saying, its wrong - and CIS is paying for
>> Board
>> >> > Trip (which is coinciding with CIS training!)
>> >> > Even Chapter President preferred to give out half truth and kept
>> >> > everyone in
>> >> > dark. And there was Secretary and another EC Member to take whole
>> >> > mailing
>> >> > list on a ride!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Why it is important?
>> >> >
>> >> > This could be start of new era - Where CIS supports Chapter
>> financially
>> >> > whenever needed.
>> >> > (or in-kind as they did in past and hopefully will continue to do
>> so).
>> >> >
>> >> > So more and more volunteer efforts can be devoted for
>> >> > outreach/activities.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Please remember that chapter is representation of the community and
>> >> >> works for the community
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Current scenario gives wrong interpretation and implies that
>> community
>> >> > should not raise questions on transparency because after-all we are
>> your
>> >> > representation! Either consult community before lying or speak
>> >> > (complete)
>> >> > truth.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Here is response from Sunil,CIS -
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related
>> >> >> expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a
>> >> >> training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in
>> >> >> Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also
>> organising
>> >> >> a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this
>> >> >> when I reached out to the EC and asked for their support us.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > From Sunil's mail it is clear that Sunil extended the offer in
>> >> > good-faith,
>> >> > unaware of Chapter-Board meeting falling at the same time. However
>> >> > Chapter
>> >> > also seems to have taken this opportunity and is now shy to accept. I
>> >> > don't
>> >> > understand why?
>> >> >
>> >> > And why CIS was also kept in dark?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> CIS will cover air travel and accommodation for all EC members. CIS
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> also provide per diem for meals that are not provided during the
>> >> >> training. Unfortunately, we don't have a separate budget for fees.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Along with 'air Travel', CIS is providing accommodation too.
>> >> > And Last sentence about fee budget is interesting.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > If Chapter is expecting public support for fundraising and other
>> >> > activities,
>> >> > then it should be more transparent and 'should avoid organized and
>> >> > dedicated
>> >> > efforts to misguide community/keep in dark.'
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > And Hope so CIS takes care of all the
>> >> >  remaining Chapter financial needs as well, Just keep community in
>> loop.
>> >> > And
>> >> > Thanks to Sunil/ CIS for being transparent and open.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Keep Clarifying, Keep Inspiring!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -Abhishek Suryawanshi,
>> >> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >> > From: Sunil Abraham <su...@mahiti.org>
>> >> > Date: Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate
>> >> > To: Abhishek Suryawanshi <i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com>
>> >> > Cc: Wikimedia India Community list
>> >> > <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Dear Abhishek,
>> >> >
>> >> > CIS is not supporting travel expenses for Chapter EC meetings. Nor
>> has
>> >> > CIS provided funding to the Chapter so far from the Wikipedia grant.
>> >> > CIS has provided in-kind support to the Chapter in previous financial
>> >> > years for ex. society registration costs and the costs of their
>> >> > financial adviser during their first financial year. We strongly
>> >> > suppor
>> >> >
>> >> > This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related
>> >> > expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a
>> >> > training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in
>> >> > Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also
>> organising
>> >> > a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this
>> >> > when I reached out to the EC and asked for their support us.
>> >> >
>> >> > Dear Friends,
>> >> >
>> >> > In the first week of March, we hope to release a 6-monthly report of
>> >> > the utilization of the grant so far. Usually we only provide an
>> annual
>> >> > consolidated report for all grants at the ledger group level. But for
>> >> > this particular grant we will increase the degree of transparency to
>> >> > address concerns of the community. If you have any suggestions on how
>> >> > we should structure this report or if you have any further questions
>> >> > about how CIS is spending the grant allocated do not hesitate to ask
>> >> > me.
>> >> >
>> >> > Best wishes,
>> >> >
>> >> > Sunil
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > -------- Original Message --------
>> >> > Subject: Training of CIS-A2K team on 23 or 24 of February
>> >> > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:48:42 +0530
>> >> > From: Sunil Abraham <su...@cis-india.org>
>> >> > To: Wikimedia India EC <wikimedia-in-e...@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> >> >
>> >> > Attn:
>> >> >  Sudhanwa Jogalekar
>> >> >  Karthik Nadar
>> >> >  Anirudh Singh Bhati
>> >> >  Nikita Belavate
>> >> >  Pranav Curumsey
>> >> >  Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>> >> >  Viswa Prabha
>> >> >
>> >> > Dear Members of the Wikimedia India EC,
>> >> >
>> >> > Hope 2013 has gotten of to an excellent start for all of you.
>> >> >
>> >> > CIS is organising a training for the A2K team on the 22nd, 23rd and
>> 24th
>> >> > of February in Bangalore. The new Programme Director - Vishnu Vardhan
>> >> > will also be attending this event. We would like the EC to spend one
>> day
>> >> > training the team on a variety of issues. We would prefer if you opt
>> for
>> >> > either 23rd or the 24th as we have some other trainers that have
>> >> > confirmed for the 22nd.
>> >> >
>> >> > CIS will cover air travel and accommodation for all EC members. CIS
>> will
>> >> > also provide per diem for meals that are not provided during the
>> >> > training. Unfortunately, we don't have a separate budget for fees.
>> >> >
>> >> > This idea has been discussed with Anasuya Sengupta and Jessie Wild at
>> >> > the Wikimedia Foundation and they have supported it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Best wishes,
>> >> >
>> >> > Sunil
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi
>> >> > <i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dear Sunil,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Could you please share information about CIS supporting Chapter
>> Travel
>> >> >> expenses?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And Its nice and positive move, Great to see CIS continues to
>> support
>> >> >> movement in India.
>> >> >> Volunteers can devote their time in doing activities and CIS can
>> >> >> support
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> per request.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As Chapter is shy/silent about acknowledging funding from CIS -
>> Hope so
>> >> >> your
>> >> >> reply will clarify that CIS is there to support Chapter activities
>> >> >> irrespective of criticism.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Keep Supporting, Keep Inspiring! :)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Abhishek Suryawanshi,
>> >> >> On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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