Dear Ansuman,

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 2:39 PM, ansuman <ansum...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>

> Also you may raise this issue at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap.
> It's a possibility others may have been raised this issue already, and you
> can join the discussion.
>
>
Just a thought.....

The point I was making in my post was that this was perhaps not gender
specific. It seems to happen to many new editors. Let us please not
generalize this and make this gender bias. This issue is a case of lack of
sensitivity to new editors.


> Many new comers work at WP:NPP and there is no way to recognize female
> editors on Wiki unless they mentioned it on their userpages. And they don't
> visit userpages.
>

Also why should one need to recognize the gender of a user? Extending
courtesies or extending a helpful hand to new editor surely has nothing to
do with the gender of an editor. It should apply to all new editors.

>From my interactions in a few workshops related to bridge gender gaps, most
women dont want any special treatment, they just want a fair take at things
like anyone else.

Best regards
Arun



>
> On 10 March 2013 11:48, swetapadma d. satpathy <swetapadm...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> A very good read and truly written.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Swetapadma
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Arun Ramarathnam 
>> <arunra...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see
>>> wikipedians mentioned in the article.
>>>
>>> Interesting to note the article mention the following...
>>>
>>> *When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male
>>> editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for
>>> anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a
>>> template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more
>>> supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a
>>> male-dominated world of code.
>>> *
>>>
>>> Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors
>>> pulling the pages down. Or is  it the case of experienced editors being
>>> less tolerant and not encouraging to most  new editors irrespective of
>>> their gender. I believe it more often than not the second.
>>>
>>> To share another incident to illustrate the point..... There was another 
>>> Women's
>>> Wikipedia 
>>> workshop<http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013>running
>>>  in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash  was working with a new lady
>>> editor to take her through the paces of a new article title "Nalini
>>> Nayak <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak>". This was being
>>> shown on a  projector for the rest of the lady participants to watch and
>>> learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a "Speedy
>>> Delete" notice on a  page that had no grounds for it. At best one could
>>> Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of "noteability".
>>>
>>> We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time
>>> getting on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also know
>>> we have very few women editors. But we ought to be careful  to not project
>>> this as a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may
>>> not be the case).
>>>
>>> Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of the
>>> news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the media
>>> too).
>>>
>>> For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was co-organised
>>> by many "supportive" men keen to bridge the gender gap in wikipedia - Om,
>>> Soumyan, Pavanaja and yours truly. Of course the event was led by a very
>>> capable and enthusiastic lady wikipedian Pavithra!
>>>
>>> We surely need the experienced editors to be a whole lot more sensitive
>>> and to be careful not to  
>>> "*Bite*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers>"
>>> new editors (irrespective of gender). There also appears to be a template
>>> {{this is a new 
>>> user<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:This_is_a_new_user>
>>> }} that new users can sport on their user pages.
>>>
>>> Have a good weekend everyone!
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Arun
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Tejaswini Niranjana 
>>> <t...@cscs.res.in>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nice to see Nikita's name in the article.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/girls-try-to-break-into-an-old-boys-club/article4492068.ece?homepage=true
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> Lead Researcher - Higher Education Innovation and Research Applications
>>>> (HEIRA)
>>>> Senior Fellow - Centre for the Study of Culture and Society (CSCS)
>>>> Visiting Professor - Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS)
>>>> Visiting Faculty - Centre for Contemporary Studies, Indian Institute
>>>> of Science (CCS-IISc)
>>>>
>>>> t: 91-80-26730476, 26730967, 26730268
>>>> f: 91-80-26730722
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