Hi Ansuman, your point about opening new ways is well-taken. It is the wiki
community that has identified a gender gap, so to think of ways of dealing
with it is not to show gender bias.

Thanks for the support.


On 10 March 2013 23:32, ansuman <ansum...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, I am sorry. I din't mean to make it a gender bias. I totally
> understand your point and I think you are right.
>
> I just thought, that way it could help. Still I think as per Gender Gap
> Campaign, if we discuss and make it a point on the guidelines that as we
> are trying to have more female wikipedians, be nice to new editors.
>
> I understand the review process should not be based on the gender. And I
> am not saying identifying female editors is the solution, but if they wish
> to reveal (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Female_Wikipedians),
> the community should think of something, which could help.
>
> I am not deciding anything for them. I am trying to open new ways which
> could help.
>
>
> Thanks
> ,
> <http://twitter.com/an5um>Ansuman
>
>
> On 10 March 2013 18:47, Tejaswini Niranjana <t...@cscs.res.in> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ansuman,
>> The gender gap link provides useful information about the kinds of
>> projects people are working on. Thanks for pointing it out.
>>
>> Not sure about the need to identify female editors. Increasing relevant
>> and gender-sensitive content whether in the Indian languages or in English
>> could be a task for all of us.
>>
>> And yes, be nice to all newbies!
>>
>> Tejaswini
>>
>>
>> On 10 March 2013 14:39, ansuman <ansum...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Having read this, I think you girls should start a RFC on English
>>> Wikipedia highlighting this issue, and may be many would agree to have a
>>> point added to WP:Deletion Policy (
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy) or at least at
>>> Wikipedia:NPP#Be nice to the newbies (
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPP#Be_nice_to_the_newbies) and
>>> even Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers
>>>
>>> Also you may raise this issue at
>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap. It's a possibility others
>>> may have been raised this issue already, and you can join the discussion.
>>>
>>> Many new comers work at WP:NPP and there is no way to recognize female
>>> editors on Wiki unless they mentioned it on their userpages. And they don't
>>> visit userpages.
>>>
>>> A solution could be to add a new gadget like markAdmins, which works
>>> like this
>>>
>>> http://en.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6636985&curid=6466221&action=history
>>>
>>> I don't know if it is possible technically.
>>> But if we could add a similar gadget and if they like to reveal their
>>> gender, then it'd be easy.
>>>
>>> Just my thought, many would find it extra burden. But you may go ahead
>>> and give it a try.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ansuman <http://twitter.com/an5um>*
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10 March 2013 11:48, swetapadma d. satpathy 
>>> <swetapadm...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> A very good read and truly written.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Swetapadma
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Arun Ramarathnam <arunra...@gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for sharing this Tejaswini. Made interesting read. Good to see
>>>>> wikipedians mentioned in the article.
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting to note the article mention the following...
>>>>>
>>>>> *When at the workshop, the girls began to create articles on Wiki, male
>>>>> editors were quick to pull them down. “This can be intimidating for
>>>>> anyone, and more so for girls.” Instead of spending the time creating a
>>>>> template to delete, she wishes her male friends would just “be more
>>>>> supportive” and encourage those who step in to what is surely a
>>>>> male-dominated world of code.
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> Makes me wonder if it is to be deemed as the case of male editors
>>>>> pulling the pages down. Or is  it the case of experienced editors being
>>>>> less tolerant and not encouraging to most  new editors irrespective of
>>>>> their gender. I believe it more often than not the second.
>>>>>
>>>>> To share another incident to illustrate the point..... There was
>>>>> another Women's Wikipedia 
>>>>> workshop<http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Wikipedia_Women%27s_Workshop_Bangalore_2013>running
>>>>>  in town wikipedian Omshivaprakash  was working with a new lady
>>>>> editor to take her through the paces of a new article title "Nalini
>>>>> Nayak <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalini_Nayak>". This was being
>>>>> shown on a  projector for the rest of the lady participants to watch and
>>>>> learn. And lo and behold we had an editor for nowhere slap a "Speedy
>>>>> Delete" notice on a  page that had no grounds for it. At best one could
>>>>> Afd-ed it and have questioned the merits of "noteability".
>>>>>
>>>>> We all know the treatment of new editors... they have a rough time
>>>>> getting on to wikipedia and this issue is widely acknowledged. We also 
>>>>> know
>>>>> we have very few women editors. But we ought to be careful  to not project
>>>>> this as a case of male editors being non supportive of women, (which may
>>>>> not be the case).
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps the above reference in the article was the interpretation of
>>>>> the news reporter or perhaps even a misquote (which happens often in the
>>>>> media too).
>>>>>
>>>>> For the record the Women's workshop that I referred to was
>>>>> co-organised by many "supportive" men keen to bridge the gender gap in
>>>>> wikipedia - Om, Soumyan, Pavanaja and yours truly. Of course the event was
>>>>> led by a very capable and enthusiastic lady wikipedian Pavithra!
>>>>>
>>>>> We surely need the experienced editors to be a whole lot more
>>>>> sensitive and to be careful not to  
>>>>> "*Bite*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers>"
>>>>> new editors (irrespective of gender). There also appears to be a template
>>>>> {{this is a new 
>>>>> user<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:This_is_a_new_user>
>>>>> }} that new users can sport on their user pages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a good weekend everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>> regards
>>>>> Arun
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Tejaswini Niranjana <
>>>>> t...@cscs.res.in> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice to see Nikita's name in the article.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/girls-try-to-break-into-an-old-boys-club/article4492068.ece?homepage=true
>>>>>>
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