On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Ashwin Baindur
<ashwin.bain...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry Nitika, the format provided gives no line breaks or paragraph breaks
> and its not readable. Please provide in a plain text file format, readable
> in DOS/Windows.

The file seems to be a text one indeed. Not the most elegant way of
doing this, but pasted below is the content of the attachment (as
picked off the archives)

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[2013-05-13 20:34:19] <Abhinav> Good evening every one...
[2013-05-13 20:34:30] <Abhinav> Shall we start now??
[2013-05-13 20:35:59] <Vishnu_A2K> @All. Thank you for joining us.
[2013-05-13 20:36:21] <Theo10011> Abhinav - who are you? and start what?
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[2013-05-13 20:36:45] <subha> Hi All
[2013-05-13 20:36:59] <Vishnu_A2K> @All-Welcome!
[2013-05-13 20:37:25] <Vishnu_A2K> Thank you for joining-in to share
your feedback on the A2K Work Plans.
[2013-05-13 20:38:09] <Vishnu_A2K> Is this Agenda good?
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[2013-05-13 20:39:11] <Vishnu_A2K> 5 mins - Arrive at topics that you
would like to discuss around the A2K Work Plans
[2013-05-13 20:39:44] <Vishnu_A2K> next 50 mins - we can take up each
topic and discuss
[2013-05-13 20:39:53] <Vishnu_A2K> @All - Is this good?
[2013-05-13 20:40:09] <Vishnu_A2K> @All - would like to suggest a
different structure?
[2013-05-13 20:41:04] <Vishnu_A2K> @Abhinav - Any specific topics you
would like to discuss?
[2013-05-13 20:41:27] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna - Please suggest if you
have any topics in mind
[2013-05-13 20:41:48] <arjunaraoc> hi Vishnu_A2K
[2013-05-13 20:41:52] <Vishnu_A2K> @Barras - Please suggest
[2013-05-13 20:42:16] <Vishnu_A2K> @Theo10011 - Please suggest if you
have any specific topic to discuss
[2013-05-13 20:42:19] <Theo10011> Why are you pinging everyone individually?
[2013-05-13 20:42:21] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna - Hi.
[2013-05-13 20:42:25] <Theo10011> Barras and I are here because we're ops
[2013-05-13 20:42:35] <arjunaraoc> I have given my feedback on the
meta. Some of it was addressed. Would like to get response on others.
[2013-05-13 20:42:43] <Vishnu_A2K> @Theo10011 - Ok.
[2013-05-13 20:43:00] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna-Sure.
[2013-05-13 20:43:51] <Abhinav> concept of Wikipedia Student
Partners:- Wiki Student Partners are students from colleges who will
help students in solving their queries and keeping follow ups of “How
to edit on Wikipedia?”
[2013-05-13 20:44:32] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna-'Approach for
Village/Block/District project' on Odia Work Plan
[2013-05-13 20:44:47] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna-time frame for the Pilot
[2013-05-13 20:44:57] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna-Anything else?
[2013-05-13 20:45:25] <arjunaraoc> Vishnu_A2K:  yes
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[2013-05-13 20:45:58] <Abhinav> can we start this wiki student partner
concept?? in this pilot project??
[2013-05-13 20:46:13] <Vishnu_A2K> @Abhinav-Ok. I think this has been
addressed specifically in each of the language work plans, but we will
come to this at the end and take any specific questions/queries you
may have. OK?
[2013-05-13 20:46:21] <arjunaraoc> Vishnu_A2K:  you can also summarise
outcome of discussions of these on language wikis
[2013-05-13 20:46:46] <Abhinav> ok
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[2013-05-13 20:47:20] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: We will be doing on Meta
in detail by May 15th. Is it ok?
[2013-05-13 20:47:53] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: Also put it on Language wiki VPs
[2013-05-13 20:48:01] <Nitika> @Arjuna - we'll summarise all the
feedback from the community on meta by the 15th
[2013-05-13 20:49:21] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: We have 3 points so far.
Anything else to be added.
[2013-05-13 20:49:27] <arjunaraoc> Vishnu_A2K: if you share any update
as of now, irc could be useful to trigger some more discussion
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[2013-05-13 20:50:07] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: OK. Sure +1
[2013-05-13 20:52:34] <subha1> Shall we start discussing the first
point for today's agenda?: "Approach for Village/Block/District
project' on Odia Work Plan"
[2013-05-13 20:53:17] <sipun> yes
[2013-05-13 20:53:37] <arjunaraoc> sure
[2013-05-13 20:55:08] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: Arjuna based on the
experience from Telugu Wikipedia questioned how effective the
Village/Block/District project' on Odia Wiki will be.
[2013-05-13 20:55:41] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: Arjuna's main concern was
about creating stub class articles.
[2013-05-13 20:56:56] <subha1> Arjuna and Ansuman, to address your
questions on Meta about the Odia village project, the plan states that
we'd involve more wikipedians to create start class articles and not
bot-generated stub articles.
[2013-05-13 20:58:22] <Vishnu_A2K> Also unlike the Telugu Wikipeida
Village project (done in 2007) now we have many of the data openly
available which can be used to create good articles on
Villages/blocks/districts.
[2013-05-13 20:59:00] <arjunaraoc> subha1: My suggestion is to go for
a top down approach. focus on districts for few months. review the
progress, assess whether the next level will be worthwhile.
[2013-05-13 20:59:32] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: +1
[2013-05-13 20:59:52] <arjunaraoc> Thx Vishnu_A2K
[2013-05-13 21:00:03] <arjunaraoc> what does subha1 think?
[2013-05-13 21:00:27] <subha1> arjunaraoc: Yes, the list of districts
and articles on the districts are created
[2013-05-13 21:01:41] <Vishnu_A2K> @Subha1: Do we know that these
district articles are exhaustive?
[2013-05-13 21:02:11] <arjunaraoc> subha1: I do not know Odia. so
can't understand their present quality. I wanted to share the learning
from Telugu.
[2013-05-13 21:02:46] <subha1> arjunaraoc: and Vishnu_A2K, yes they
are start class articles
[2013-05-13 21:02:56] <subha1> and now the community actively wants to
take it to the further level and create articles about the villages by
involving more wikipedians, this was what the communities from Cuttack
and Bhubaneswar expressed during our interaction
[2013-05-13 21:03:18] <arjunaraoc> As you go to village level, the
number of interested contributors as well as number of readers will be
less and less. It will be tough to generate useful articles  at
village level, till the community becomes large
[2013-05-13 21:04:07] <arjunaraoc> you may like to experiment block
level first and then village or address one district from top to
bottom as pilot.
[2013-05-13 21:04:27] <subha1> Yes this is a concern, however the Odia
community strongly sees about doing this project
[2013-05-13 21:04:57] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: +1
[2013-05-13 21:05:04] <subha1> +1 arjunaraoc, that would another
useful way of approach, will surely discuss that with the community
[2013-05-13 21:05:16] <arjunaraoc> ok.
[2013-05-13 21:06:04] <Vishnu_A2K> @Subha: Is it possible to have
Arjuna part of the discussions with the Odia community on this
particular project and leverage on Telugu Wiki Community's experience?
[2013-05-13 21:06:25] <subha1> Definitely, that's a very good idea
[2013-05-13 21:07:17] <subha1> Will explore an opportunity with the
community for this useful interaction
[2013-05-13 21:08:10] <Nitika> How about focussing on 3-4 districts to
begin with. And cover as Arjuna says blocks, and villages?
[2013-05-13 21:08:19] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: Shall we move to point 2.
[2013-05-13 21:08:45] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: Ok we can discuss this one
last suggestion from Nitika and move to point 2.
[2013-05-13 21:09:07] <subha1> I second Nitika: , @Vishnu_A2K sure
[2013-05-13 21:09:08] <arjunaraoc> subha1: Thanks for suggestion. It
is not feasible for me to devote more time. I thought of sharing my
experience so that a2k plans can be more effective.
[2013-05-13 21:10:43] <subha1> arjunaraoc: We'll take these feedback
and interact with the community and discuss
[2013-05-13 21:11:00] <arjunaraoc> thanks subha1
[2013-05-13 21:11:01] <Nitika> @All: Should we move to point no. 2?
[2013-05-13 21:11:16] <Abhinav> ok
[2013-05-13 21:12:00] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: Point No. 2 is about 'Time
frame for the proposed Pilot project'
[2013-05-13 21:13:32] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: Arjuna has said " It is
better to do couple of pilots for 3-6 months time frame to assess the
potential."
[2013-05-13 21:14:06] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: I see two aspects to the suggestion.
[2013-05-13 21:14:26] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: 1) is about the proposed
pilot on Performing Arts in India.
[2013-05-13 21:14:44] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: 2) Doing more pilots than one.
[2013-05-13 21:15:13] <Vishnu_A2K> Re. doing more pilots than one....
A2K is working on developing more pilots.
[2013-05-13 21:15:33] <Vishnu_A2K> It is too early to commit to these
on paper...
[2013-05-13 21:15:55] <Theo10011> Good god, reading this is like
watching paint dry.
[2013-05-13 21:16:10] <Theo10011> I'm not sure why the constant use of
@all is required
[2013-05-13 21:16:19] <Vishnu_A2K> But sharing some ideas under
development anyway...
[2013-05-13 21:16:21] <Theo10011> the wide participation of 2 only has
arjuna asking stuff
[2013-05-13 21:16:39] <Theo10011> this can be easily taken to a
private email or a one on one chat
[2013-05-13 21:16:51] <Vishnu_A2K> A2K is developing a science project
pilot with IISc
[2013-05-13 21:16:56] <Nitika> Also since the person coming onboard to
handle pilots will be new to the team it might be better for him/her
to handle only one project to begin with.
[2013-05-13 21:17:25] <Vishnu_A2K> Also there are discussions with
TISS to do something focusing on Development Studies and Social Work.
[2013-05-13 21:18:00] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: We will be more certain of
these by mid June, by when we are expecting to sign some MoAs
[2013-05-13 21:18:43] <arjunaraoc> Vishnu_A2K:  I am referring to
couple of pilots about the same topic for a shorter time.
[2013-05-13 21:19:00] <Vishnu_A2K> @Theo: It is my style. Sorry if it
is bothering you.
[2013-05-13 21:19:12] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: Could you pls. elaborate?
[2013-05-13 21:19:13] <arjunaraoc> If you  plan to address other
topics that is great.
[2013-05-13 21:20:31] <arjunaraoc> Theo10011: The response to A2K plan
discussion has not been good so far on meta. So they have announced
IRC, where the status seems to be similar. anyway we will be done in
another 15-20 minutes. thx for your patience
[2013-05-13 21:21:14] <Theo10011> Great that you are there to rescue.
[2013-05-13 21:21:18] <Theo10011> Speaking of which
[2013-05-13 21:21:31] <Theo10011> CIS doesnt have anything to do with Wikimedia
[2013-05-13 21:21:41] <Theo10011> as far as I know this is a different
organization on a grant
[2013-05-13 21:22:05] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: If you see the design of
the Pilot it will be executed in multiple languages on the same topic.
[2013-05-13 21:22:06] <Theo10011> Using all the same channels of
communications as if this was like hisham
[2013-05-13 21:22:17] <arjunaraoc> Vishnu_A2K:   You have listed ten
to twenty  organisations for colloboration. I mean do pilots with
couple of organisations for a short period
[2013-05-13 21:22:25] <Theo10011> isn't the same
[2013-05-13 21:22:28] <Theo10011> anyway
[2013-05-13 21:22:31] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: Ok.
[2013-05-13 21:23:10] <Theo10011> I should stop reading before I
remove all of you and moderate the channel because its getting on my
nerves.
[2013-05-13 21:23:33] <subha1> I second arjunaraoc for the ideas about
the pilots
[2013-05-13 21:23:46] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: We were thinking of
bringing all these together so that at a time a single article will be
done in multiple languages.
[2013-05-13 21:24:17] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: But we will definitely
discuss this internally and try to think of the feasibility.
[2013-05-13 21:24:21] <sipun> Vishnu: IISc and TISS will help for
english language wiki or for any India language wikipedias ?
[2013-05-13 21:24:43] <Vishnu_A2K> @Sipus: English + Indian Languages.
[2013-05-13 21:24:54] <Vishnu_A2K> @Sipus: with IISc it will be
English and Kannada
[2013-05-13 21:25:05] <Vishnu_A2K> @Sipun: ooops!
[2013-05-13 21:25:09] <sipun> How ?
[2013-05-13 21:25:14] <Vishnu_A2K> got buttery fingers.
[2013-05-13 21:25:42] <sipun> :D
[2013-05-13 21:25:44] <arjunaraoc> Theo10011:  What ever A2K does will
impact  Indian language wikipedias just like the previous wmf india
programs initiative.  May be they can discuss your feedback and plan
the next session differently.
[2013-05-13 21:26:34] <Vishnu_A2K> @Sipun: The faculty at IISc also
write in Kannada and have linkages with UG level faculty which will be
brought on board.
[2013-05-13 21:26:58] <Vishnu_A2K> @Sipun: Similarly with TISS it will
be English+Marathi+Telugu+Assamese (possibily)
[2013-05-13 21:27:19] <arjunaraoc> Vishnu_A2K: what about the budget
for these different initiatives. I did not find any info other than
staff salaries.
[2013-05-13 21:27:23] <sipun> Subha: can we discuss same with UU for
same kind of plans like IISc.
[2013-05-13 21:27:30] <Vishnu_A2K> @Sipun: As they have campuses in
Maha, AP n Assam and their students and faculty are bi-lingual
[2013-05-13 21:27:50] <sipun> yes
[2013-05-13 21:28:17] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: We have shared a revised budget.
[2013-05-13 21:28:59] <subha1> sipun: we're exploring the
opportunities, but so far, we don't have a strong point of contact and
facilities. We'd consider this and start to discuss more with UU
[2013-05-13 21:29:00] <sipun> this is a good way for scientific
articles in Indian lang wikis
[2013-05-13 21:29:13] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: In that the Programme
component will be used for this purpose. Also it will be massively
less expensive as we are trying to get the institutions bear infra and
other costs.
[2013-05-13 21:29:17] <sipun> k
[2013-05-13 21:30:12] <Vishnu_A2K> Shall we extend the chat by some
more minutes to take Abhinav's point please and then we can leave?
[2013-05-13 21:30:47] <arjunaraoc> Vishnu_A2K: how much is the program
component? Can you point to any breakup of the same?
[2013-05-13 21:31:07] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: it is clearly mentioned in
the proposed revised budget.
[2013-05-13 21:31:09] <arjunaraoc> if not right away, may be offline.
[2013-05-13 21:31:35] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: Will share the revised
budget document link through e-mail.
[2013-05-13 21:31:44] <arjunaraoc> let me check again then.
[2013-05-13 21:31:55] <Vishnu_A2K> Point 3:
[2013-05-13 21:32:24] <Nitika> @Abhinav: Could you please elaborate on
the Wiki Student Partners please?
[2013-05-13 21:32:48] <Nitika> Is it something similar to Miscrosoft
Student Partners that you're refering to?
[2013-05-13 21:33:04] <Vishnu_A2K> @Abhinav: Do you mean students in
colleges and univs?
[2013-05-13 21:33:14] <Abhinav> Wiki Student Partners are students
from different colleges who will help students in solving their
queries and keeping follow ups of “How to edit on Wikipedia?”
[2013-05-13 21:33:17] <Abhinav> yup
[2013-05-13 21:34:40] <Vishnu_A2K> @Abhinav: If you see our plan, we
have listed various Higher education institutional partnerships
[2013-05-13 21:34:42] <Nitika> @Abhinav - I think it's a brillaint
idea. Student Partners can share the Wikipedia editing skills with
others, giving presentations and initiate projects.
[2013-05-13 21:34:59] <Nitika> We can definitely take this up as a pilot.
[2013-05-13 21:35:13] <Abhinav> @Nikita:- +1
[2013-05-13 21:35:16] <Nitika> But are you thinking to do this at the
school/UG/PG level?
[2013-05-13 21:35:25] <arjunaraoc> Vishnu_A2K: I found program cost
breakup.  Thx.
[2013-05-13 21:35:46] <Abhinav> UG and PG
[2013-05-13 21:35:47] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: Ok. Great!
[2013-05-13 21:36:15] <Vishnu_A2K> @Arjuna: Please feel free to share
the feedback later.
[2013-05-13 21:36:44] <Vishnu_A2K> @Abhinav: But there will be an
active local Wikimedia community that will be there to support.
[2013-05-13 21:36:46] <Nitika> @Abhinav: I think so too. We can check
the feasibility of running this with one our insti partners
[2013-05-13 21:37:15] <Vishnu_A2K> @Abhinav: How do you think Student
Partners are different from say any Wiki Community Member?
[2013-05-13 21:37:41] <Abhinav> I'll share detailed document within 2-3 days...
[2013-05-13 21:38:21] <Vishnu_A2K> Great! We will look forward.
[2013-05-13 21:38:38] <Nitika> @Vishnu - I think Abhinav is refering
to create a Wiki community within an educational institue similar to
to a wiki community in a city.
[2013-05-13 21:38:59] <Nitika> And ofcourse the two are not separate
from one another.
[2013-05-13 21:39:18] <Vishnu_A2K> @Nitika ok @Abhinav +1
[2013-05-13 21:39:51] <Nitika> @Abhinav - i look forward to reading
your plan around this. :)
[2013-05-13 21:40:06] <Nitika> maybe we could work together.
[2013-05-13 21:40:16] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: Thank you for your time and engagement.
[2013-05-13 21:40:38] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: We will definitely try and
incorporate your feedback.
[2013-05-13 21:40:40] <Abhinav> yeah...sure... :)
[2013-05-13 21:40:46] <Nitika> :)
[2013-05-13 21:41:04] <Abhinav> @All:- Thank you
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[2013-05-13 21:41:50] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: Please feel free to share any
feedback and afterthoughts over e-mail and on Meta.
[2013-05-13 21:41:51] <Nitika> Thanks everyone! Enjoy the rest of your
evening/night.
[2013-05-13 21:41:59] <subha1> Thanks everyone! Good night :)
[2013-05-13 21:42:18] <arjunaraoc> Thanks all. Good night
[2013-05-13 21:42:28] <Vishnu_A2K> @All: We will collect all the
feedback by May 20 and revise the plans.
[2013-05-13 21:42:32] <Vishnu_A2K> Good Night.
[2013-05-13 21:42:38] <Vishnu_A2K> Thank you :)
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[2013-05-13 21:47:30] <Vishnu_A2K> @Theo10011: Please do share your
feedback on this session and suggest how we can organize this
differently. Thanks.

--
sankarshan mukhopadhyay
<https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan>

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