Hi Dhaval, Lets hope !  May be WMF will answer the you questions specific.

Regards,
Jayanta Nath


On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas <dsv...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Asaf,
>
> Let me put everything aside and ask a few simple questions to you, as I
> see you as a representative of WMF here.
>
> 1. Why was WMIN denied the large portion of the grant requested and why do
> we have separate grant to a private organisation?
>
> 2. WMF have seen the results of previous funding to IP, which was a total
> disaster, why CIS was chosen and is still considered to carry out
> activities, even after refusing the grant for many of those tasks proposed
> by them (WMIN)?
>
> 3. When are you (WMF) going to stop funding CIS and any other private
> organisation (other than WMIN)?
>
> I will appreciate straight, short and simple answers. If they could not
> be  answered in length of less than double of the length of question,
> please do not attempt.
>
> Thanks,
> Dhaval
> On 18 Apr 2014 02:20, "Asaf Bartov" <abar...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> I will be responding to Ravi's further questions as time permits,
>> probably only tomorrow.
>>
>> In the meantime, I protest against your behavior, Ansuman.  It is
>> unacceptable.  Despite multiple past recurrences of this pattern as well as
>> past apologies, here we are again -- you lash out with wild and inflated
>> accusations, generalizations, and hearsay; when challenged to provide
>> details and references, you gradually back down and often admit your
>> original allegations were entirely unfounded; nevertheless, you do not
>> apologize or retract your original statements (alternatively, you somehow
>> manage to apologize (as you do below) even as you attack indisciminately).
>> This is precisely the behavior that had cost you my respect before, as you
>> mentioned.
>>
>> I am interested in having good faith conversations with any community
>> member about our India strategy.  As you have seen, I have responded openly
>> and honestly to Ravi's questions about our strategy, and those of you who
>> have had some conversations with me before can attest I speak my mind and
>> do not keep you guessing.
>>
>> I had done the same in response to your own questions previously
>> (contrary to your assertion that I did not), but it quickly became clear
>> you were far too bitter to be interested in actually discussing
>> constructive ways forward.  For whatever reason (perhaps a personal stake?
>> is there some personal background you'd like to share with the community?
>> I think so.), you are far more interested in attacking CIS and/or WMF than
>> you are in promoting the Wikimedia mission in India and in your region and
>> community.
>>
>> I will continue to engage with those members of the community interested
>> in having a civil and fact-based conversation.  (I thank Pradeep, for
>> example, for his calm contribution to the discussion (on-wiki, where I
>> shall respond), even as he expresses strong crticism and skepticism of the
>> entire engagement model.)
>>
>> I encourage the rest of you reading this to take Ansuman's ranting with a
>> large grain of salt.  Get the facts (as distinct from empty assertions) and
>> judge for yourselves, by all means, or reserve judgment until you do.
>>
>> Again, I will engage further on-wiki as soon as I'm able, but probably
>> only tomorrow.
>>
>>    Asaf
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 11:10 AM, ansuman <ansum...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Asaf. There are some more 
>>> questions<http://bl-1.com/click/load/BzMJPwdmWmdWMQNnCTg-b0231>by Ravi, I'd 
>>> like to see them answered.
>>>
>>> Thanks Ravi for the detail analysis and questions. Few questions I've
>>> asked before but nobody cared to answer till now, now being answered.
>>>  :-) Which these paid employess didn't care to put up in two years is now
>>> being out!
>>>
>>> I'm extremely dissppointed, nobody (not even WMF staffs) cared to tell
>>> the community these important things, which should have been disclosed much
>>> earlier in 2012.
>>> I've asked, raised my concerns several times at meta; cisa2k talk pages,
>>> vishnu's talk page, on this mailing list. But these paid employees didn't
>>> feel the necessity to answer them!! One time someone even gone out of
>>> context and talked about costing his respect but didn't feel the necessity
>>> to respond further and tell these things..
>>>
>>> If only WMF's intent has been clear to us and there has been
>>> transparency in this project, I wouldn't have felt the necessity to blame
>>> cisa2k for their terrible mistakes and incometencies.
>>>
>>> If only i had known that WMF doesn't expect any real outcome but just
>>> want to see how it goes, then i would not have asked those questions being
>>> rude. You have wasted so much of my time!!
>>>
>>> Even now I see no attempts to bring transparency. Clearly nobody cares!!
>>> WMF is also responsible for this lack of transparecy but they don't seem
>>> to care much.
>>>
>>> So far as per the ongoing discussion at proposal talk page, *there is
>>> no transparency, it's not been disclosed yet who was involved when this
>>> project was approved!* Few facts yet to be confirmed and questions to
>>> be answered.
>>>
>>> Having said all these, let me tell you that my intention was clear, i
>>> didn't want to hurt anybody. I'm extremely sorry for the harsh tone. My
>>> apologies to all the CISA2K employees and especially to Vishnu.
>>>
>>> You guys don't listen to me still let me say:
>>> The plans of CISA2K is getting broader, please focus on specific areas
>>> where you guys are capable.
>>>
>>> And about "No Outcome"; I mop at Odia Wikipedia and I regularly visit
>>> and keep track of edits there. CISA2K has created a lot of mess which need
>>> to be cleaned up.
>>>
>>> And those fluctuation; ups and downs in graphs, *we see them all the
>>> times, so please don't claim those are because of you and don't put up
>>> those stats in your reports and everywhere*. Please make these plans
>>> and reports short and precise, so more users can read them and participate.
>>>
>>> Jayanta also asked similar questions about stats there at proposal talk
>>> page. And i'm aware of that disclaimer, still it's wrong to claim like
>>> this. Please remove them. At least have some respect for the community and
>>> volunteers.  Thanks.
>>>
>>> Ansuman
>>> User:Ansumang
>>>
>>>
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>>
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