When its about the Indian Community, I would further appreciate if
community members from India write in here. There seems to be more to
foreign members defending CIS-A2K grant while it should be more of Indian
community either defending or chasing.

I think Gerard needs to understand the Indian Community from depth; not
keep on defending CIS-A2K just because you were supposed to run a project
with them. The volunteer community here can also do that. We have well
versed Wikidata contributors. Please see how the volunteer activities have
dropped down so tremendously since past two years.

Everyone's comment on the discussion is appreciated; doesn't matters in
support or in contrast againsy the FDC proposal of CIS-A2K. But, seriously
and on first basis, it should be coming from Indian community members not
from anyone who doesn't understand the current scenario here. General
comments from anyone is welcome, but please do some home-work first.


Hi Ravi,

I'm sure campaigning against donations to Wikimedia will bring the movement
in bad light; but something like campaigning for Wikimedia India and
deteriorating its dependency on WMF will be awesome. Wikimedia India
currently needs some legal help to initiate after which we believe
that this is something needs to be achieved with strong support from the
community.

WMF has already decided that it wants to create more and more mess here.
I'm sure to see that the CIS-A2K will get almost 100% for what they have
requested for [maybe more :P]. Things are all scripted and discussions are
mere drama. Creation of such a project is itself a great proof for that.

Another example is: When first employee of WMIN was hired, WMF created such
a mess out of it. When A2K was started, WMIN had to no chance to voice out
for or against it.



Please note:  I don't have any personal intentions against CIS. They have
been so open and helpful to WMIN. Its the WMF attitude towards its focus in
India that creates trouble and mess. Thanks to Them!



Thanks,
Karthik Nadar.


On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Kevin Gorman <kgor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I would equally suggest that trying to cut off or limit the flow of funds
> to the movement because you're upset that someone is being overpaid is
> putting your personal interest above the movement's interest. I mean, if
> you were literally successful in your stated goal, the movement would no
> longer *exist*.  I'm sure the FDC will take relevant factors in to
> consideration when looking at CIS's request, there's no need for hyperbolic
> calls to start a donation boycott.  If this were truly just about
> profligate spending, there's probably a hundred things in the Wikimedia
> movement you could latch on to that are more outrageous.
>
> ---
> Kevin Gorman
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Kevin,
>>
>> It isn't about the exact numbers and percentages. It is about integrity.
>>
>> You accept that you are getting over paid and yet you won't fix it, then
>> it is putting your personal interest above the movement's interest.
>>
>> You call yourself a non-proft and yet you pay a salary that is far above
>> for-proft standards.
>>
>> And when we ask for results or performance analysis, you say that we
>> can't measure that yet.
>>
>> CIS acknowledges that it is over paying its 
>> staff<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Q19>disproportionate
>>  to industry standards and their own institution's salary
>> structure. Yet, 51.26% of their 
>> budget<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015/Budget#Budget_as_per_Expenditure_Heads>goes
>>  to payments towards full time staff, resource persons and consultants
>> (line items 1, 7 and 11.2). This is against the guidelines issued to the
>> FDC<http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2013-04-18#Guidance_for_the_FDC>on
>>  rising cost of institutionalization.
>>
>> This inflated structure is a mistake created by WMF and it should own the
>> responsibility of fixing it.
>>
>> Just because movement funds are available in plenty, you don't go around
>> wasting it.
>>
>> Ravi
>>
>>
>>
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