Hi Gerard , Sorry to interrupt the discussion .
Small correction //I added that Mr Modi is the incumbent prime minister of Gujarati state in Wikidata.// Modi is actually incumbent Chief Minister(not Prime minister ) of Gujarat (Not Gujarati - Which is a language ) . -Sibi On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>wrote: > Hoi, > I am a Wikimedian and have been for a very long time. Check my record and > you will find that I have always been involved in both language support and > projects like Wiktionary, OmegaWiki, Wikidata, Reasonator. > > Today new functionality has gone life on Wikidata that was expected for > over half a year. Because of this the Marwari language is now supported in > Wikidata. I blogged about this . Other languages will follow soon. This > policy was discussed with people from India in the past and they saw it as > an appropriate strategy to start building information resources in a > language prior to a Wikipedia or another WMF project. > > India is big and it is foolish to forget context and not seek support and > second opinions when people in India are likely to benefit directly. On the > other hand, you can bring a horse to water, you cannot make it drink. When > I blogged about an enhancement to the search functionality on the Telugu > Wikipedia , it should be obvious that added value will only be found > when people add labels in Telugu to Wikidata. It is gratifying that labels > have been added. This is not an experiment as traffic details from the > Tamil and Persian Wikipedia indicate it as a successful strategy. > > I am not involved in Indian politics. Obviously. I am however improving > information about the current members of the Lok Sabha. I added that Mr > Modi is the incumbent prime minister of Gujarati state in Wikidata. I have > blogged about one member of the Lok Sabha and I am likely to do so again. > My objective is to get labels in all the languages of India for all of them > and I will not be the one doing that. My hope is that information is > readily available on Indian politics and its politicians. > > What we will gain out of it is a better understanding on how such projects > work. A much bigger challenge are the elections of South Africa. What we > may gain out of it is that Wikidata becomes a platform where this type of > information is available. Much of the information in Wikidata finds its > origin in Wikipedia. It is because of the hard work in the English > Wikipedia that we are able to add information. The point however is that > information can become available in every other language. That is not an > experiment, it is a fact. > Thanks, > GerardM > > >  > http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2014/04/wikidata-marwari-language-from-india.html >  > http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2014/04/wikipedia-search-for-in-telugu.html > > > On 30 April 2014 10:00, Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> As I engaged in the discussion regarding CIS grant proposal for the last >> two weeks, I had this recurring theme echoed from various corners. >> >> "India is big. India is diverse. India is unlike other countries. So, >> experiments (call it innovation) need to be done". >> >> For the love of Wiki God, may I request all the global people to stop >> experiementing with India? >> >> *People from outside have no clue of India. And the people they hire in >> India have no clue of the Wikimedia movement. * >> >> Ultimately, it has become like few blind people describing an elephant. >> >> Heck, all the community members know it is an elephant and know it takes >> time to grow an elephant. The growth of an elephant can only be on par with >> the ecosystem within which it is present. >> >> No amount of systematic intervention is going to change a donkey into an >> elephant. >> >> I am tired of seeing experiments being done in naive and tiny Indic >> communities and the "lessons learnt" being implemented in Brazil, Egypt and >> Arab world. Be it Google or be it WMF or its avatars. >> >> May I request that you do your experiments elsewhere for a change and >> implement things that work for sure in India organically? >> >> The reason why English Wikipedia community flourishes in India, Tamil / >> Bengali / Malayalam communities do well relatively are complete socio >> economic and political. No amount of intervention is going to change this >> in other parts of the country. This is like providing rice bags to the poor >> of the third world without fixing their primary socio political issues. >> >> Wikipedia doesn't exist in isolation in a web ecosystem. It is the >> culmination of scholarly activity of highest order that you can imagine. >> When languages that are official languages of states and countries, have >> two decades long web presence, have a thriving local print / visual media >> and academic network have a problem growing their Wikipedias, I can't >> understand what the h*ll is being done in Wikipedias that are not even out >> of incubators, Wikipedias that don't even have a writing system in order. >> >> Few years back Google dumped paid translated articles done with the aid >> machine translation tools in many Indic language communities and sermoned >> us that these will bring us a community. Now, WMF's programs are sermoning >> us that their attempt at seeding communities will bring articles for us. I >> am 100% sure that both approaches are futile. >> >> I really miss the once thriving Indian Wiki community that organized the >> world's biggest Wiki conference. >> >> I really miss the cross-wiki activism like >> >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Tinucherian_and_Shijualex/Wiki_Community_development_in_India_and_newsletter/Report >> >> I really miss the spirit of the Wiki community getting replaced by >> confusions brought because of top-down paid interventions. >> >> The only hope I have is that at least few mature communities will take >> stock of the situation, stay autonomous and self-sustaining as they were >> and continue to enjoy the pleasure of Wiki activity instead of getting >> drowned in numbers, goals, targets and dream targets. >> >> Ravi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindiaemail@example.com >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindiafirstname.lastname@example.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >
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