Aren't we all volunteers here? Atleast the ones not getting paid?
On 2 May 2014 14:15, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hoi, > Ravi, I am not a professional. I am a volunteer. > Thanks, > GerardM > > > On 2 May 2014 09:47, Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hoi Gerard, >> >> The disucssion in the mail thread is about cost / benefit comparison of >> two similar outreach events >> >> 1. >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015/Wiki-Data_India_Marathon >> >> and >> >> 2. >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Tinucherian_and_Shijualex/Wiki_Community_development_in_India_and_newsletter/Report >> >> For which Vishnu suggested the following: >> >> >> // Going forward we will not be able to contribute actively in these >> community building efforts due to our current personal and professional >> priorities.// which requires some introspection. >> >> This amounts to saying that since we don't have continuous supply of >> capable volunteers to do such outreach work, we can justify the involvement >> of paid professionals. >> >> This is a dangerous trend which will end up in justifying paid >> professionals involved in all aspects of Wikipedia work except directly >> writing articles. >> >> This is already happening as can be seen at >> >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Q12 >> >> This is no way to build a sustainable and self run organic community. >> >> A community doesn't evolve strong leadership and ownership just by >> writing articles. >> >> Occassional vaccum in particular aspects of community activity is >> perfectly acceptable. >> >> Actually, many times we intentionally create this vaccum to motivate new >> comers and take responsibility. Otherwise, they will think there is always >> someone else to take care. And if that someone is paid, there won't be any >> initiative and nurturing from the community at all. >> >> Do you know the most frequently asked question when we do outreach? >> >> * What do you get for doing this? >> >> * What do I get for doing this? >> >> When we say we both get nothing and insist this is a volunteer service, >> immediate trust is established. >> >> When the person doing outreach is getting paid, then this is nothing but >> a sermon and throws away the balance in equation. >> >> //Your assumption that it is about building a better Wikipedia indicates >> to me how limited your notion is about what it takes to "share in the sum >> of all knowledge". // >> >> You make it sound as though you are teaching rocket science to cave men >> about the need for having paid professionals in the context of your WMNL >> experience. >> >> Let me assure you that the Indian community is well aware and capabale of >> the whole context in which the movement works. >> >> We have a very capable chapter that has run hugely successful programs as >> can be seen here at >> >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/2013-2014_round1/Wikimedia_India/Proposal_form#Reflection_on_past_activities_and_innovations >> >> Tamil and Malayalam Wiki communities have worked with their respective >> State Governments, MNCs like Google, built institutional partnerships, got >> content donations all on their own with no formal Wikimedia organization >> involved and ZERO COST. I am sure that the Wikimedia Bangladesh community >> is also quite resourceful. >> >> The need for involving paid professionals arises only when you have a >> formal organization with time bound targets and specialist work for which >> the community members need not always be the best fit or available 24x7. >> So, I am not discounting the need for paid professionals. >> >> But the current trend of employing professionals in volunteer domain is >> disturbing. >> >> We need to have a discussion on what should be strictly in the volunteer >> domain considering the long term effects. >> >> Ravi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindiafirstname.lastname@example.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindiaemail@example.com > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan, What goes around, may not necessarily come around, it may simply bounce back. Please sign this petition for Volvo buses in Coimbatore: https://www.change.org/en-IN/petitions/the-transport-minister-tamil-nadu-introduction-of-volvo-city-buses-in-the-city-of-coimbatore
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