Aren't we all volunteers here?
Atleast the ones not getting paid?


On 2 May 2014 14:15, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hoi,
> Ravi, I am not a professional. I am a volunteer.
> Thanks,
>      GerardM
>
>
> On 2 May 2014 09:47, Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hoi Gerard,
>>
>> The disucssion in the mail thread is about cost / benefit comparison of
>> two similar outreach events
>>
>> 1.
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015/Wiki-Data_India_Marathon
>>
>> and
>>
>> 2.
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Tinucherian_and_Shijualex/Wiki_Community_development_in_India_and_newsletter/Report
>>
>> For which Vishnu suggested the following:
>>
>>
>> // Going forward we will not be able to contribute actively in these
>> community building efforts due to our current personal and professional
>> priorities.// which requires some introspection.
>>
>> This amounts to saying that since we don't have continuous supply of
>> capable volunteers to do such outreach work, we can justify the involvement
>> of paid professionals.
>>
>> This is a dangerous trend which will end up in justifying paid
>> professionals involved in all aspects of Wikipedia work except directly
>> writing articles.
>>
>> This is already happening as can be seen at
>>
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Q12
>>
>> This is no way to build a sustainable and self run organic community.
>>
>> A community doesn't evolve strong leadership and ownership just by
>> writing articles.
>>
>> Occassional vaccum in particular aspects of community activity is
>> perfectly acceptable.
>>
>> Actually, many times we intentionally create this vaccum to motivate new
>> comers and take responsibility. Otherwise, they will think there is always
>> someone else to take care. And if that someone is paid, there won't be any
>> initiative and nurturing from the community at all.
>>
>> Do you know the most frequently asked question when we do outreach?
>>
>> * What do you get for doing this?
>>
>> * What do I get for doing this?
>>
>> When we say we both get nothing and insist this is a volunteer service,
>> immediate trust is established.
>>
>> When the person doing outreach is getting paid, then this is nothing but
>> a sermon and throws away the balance in equation.
>>
>> //Your assumption that it is about building a better Wikipedia indicates
>> to me how limited your notion is about what it takes to "share in the sum
>> of all knowledge". //
>>
>> You make it sound as though you are teaching rocket science to cave men
>> about the need for having paid professionals in the context of your WMNL
>> experience.
>>
>> Let me assure you that the Indian community is well aware and capabale of
>> the whole context in which the movement works.
>>
>> We have a very capable chapter that has run hugely successful programs as
>> can be seen here at
>>
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/2013-2014_round1/Wikimedia_India/Proposal_form#Reflection_on_past_activities_and_innovations
>>
>> Tamil and Malayalam Wiki communities have worked with their respective
>> State Governments, MNCs like Google, built institutional partnerships, got
>> content donations all on their own with no formal Wikimedia organization
>> involved and ZERO COST. I am sure that the Wikimedia Bangladesh community
>> is also quite resourceful.
>>
>> The need for involving paid professionals arises only when you have a
>> formal organization with time bound targets and specialist work for which
>> the community members need not always be the best fit or available 24x7.
>> So, I am not discounting the need for paid professionals.
>>
>> But the current trend of employing professionals in volunteer domain is
>> disturbing.
>>
>> We need to have a discussion on what should be strictly in the volunteer
>> domain considering the long term effects.
>>
>> Ravi
>>
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