Dear Ravi,


1.Tulu Wikipedia outreach programs and outcome:


Please look at the work plan here and the stats mentioned –

Pay little attention to these numbers (excerpt from the work-plan above)-  


The current stats, as of March 2014 stands like this:

·         147 articles including categories, templates, and talk pages.

·         31 total number of editors; including those who have done just one 

·         8 editors with more than 10 edit counts.


Now please take a look at the stats at this page -
 &cat=0&wiki=incubatorwiki&listpages=on#distribution_201404. I am extracting 
the same data for current –

·         284 articles including categories, templates, and talk pages.

·         41 total number of editors; including those who have done just one 

·         18 editors with more than 10 edit counts.

These figures definitely point to the fact that the workshops are not wasted 
efforts. These changes have happened in just one month. In the stats page you 
may also notice that  Tulu Wikipedia was almost dormant from Sep 2009 till 
April 2014 with some occasional activity spikes in between. Let us hope the new 
set of editors who have come in will actively keep contributing to Tulu 
Wikipedia. Optimism is not a bad idea after all.


2. Wikipedia in UG education program at Christ University Bangalore:


It is true that a spike can be seen in the stats for Kannada Wikipedia. But the 
program will be continuing this year also. Students will continue to write for 
Kannada Wikipedia. This academic year they will also add content to Kannada 
Wikisource. I have personally interacted with many students. There are quite a 
good number of students who are passionate about enriching Kannada language and 
bringing latest knowledge into Kannada by way of adding articles to Kannada 
Wikipedia. Nurturing those students will help not only Kannada Wikipedia but 
also Kannada language and people in general. Again, I would emphasis, let us be 


Thanks and regards,




[] On Behalf Of Ravishankar
Sent: 17 May 2014 16:40
To: Wikimedia India Community list
Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia



Any community member here from Kannada Wikipedia?

I would like to understand the outcome of CIS work there.

lists one of the lessons learned as follows:

//Single-session, general-audience outreach has negligible impact everywhere 
(for example, just giving a single talk about Wikipedia to whoever shows up—the 
conversion rate to editors is tiny, and yet we keep doing it".//

(Do give a full read of that whole section 1.3 Lessons learned)

Yet, CIS seems to be repeating sich negligible impact outreach programs many 
times in March and April 2014. This includes Tulu workshops where there is 
active editor community at all. 

To quote Asaf again:

//So just what has the Foundation learned about the criteria for funding 
successful activities? Bartov first talked about a fundamental prerequisite:

"The sine qua non of most programs is a core of self-motivating active editors. 
Most of the things you want to do, most of the things chapters in the global 
north are doing, depend on this core. It can be as small as four or five 
people, but those people need to be actual active editors ... who edit because 
they like it, they enjoy editing Wikipedia or Commons, they get it, and they 
are inherently committed to our principles like NPOV; not people who are 
editing because there's a contest on and they want to win the laptop. 

"Where that core doesn't exist, it's very hard to deploy any other type of 
program. If you want [a GLAM partnership] with the National Museum of Cameroon 
... how are you going to deliver on what you promise the museum if you don't 
have local editors who will do the work – write the articles, show up to meet 
the curators. So this is the big, big challenge for which we don't have an 
answer: how do you grow such a core ... in a certain country? ... we're now 
cautious about active investment where there is not an active 
community—although it's still possible if you give us a really great idea."//

The only outcome of such initiatives seem to be PR material like this:

where Pavanaja quotes as follows:

//There was a significant increase in the number of editors after 500 students 
of Christ University, Bangalore, were trained in editing at a workshop held in 
January this year.//

And when you look at Kannada Wikipedia stats, the user activity has returned to 
pre-education programme levels within a month

So, I would like to understand why the wheel is getting reinvented again and 
again with an insane budget besides documented evidence of WMF's learning on 

Stop doing paid outreach.






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